Do you think Trump should be allowed to self-pardon?

[jediuser598]

An article by Fox News:

While all agree the U. S. President has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is LEAKS against us.FAKE NEWS

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 22, 2017
Trump’s tweet came after the Washington Post reported that the president had been asking advisers about his ability to pardon aides, family members and himself as special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into possible collusion with the Russians during the presidential election continues.

Jay Sekulow, one of Trump’s lawyers, told ABC News on Sunday that “the issue of pardons is not on the table, there is nothing to pardon from.” Sekulow added that the issue of whether Trump would be able to self-pardon would “have to be adjudicated by the Supreme Court to determine constitutionality.”

And instead of waiting for a potential ruling, Rep. Al Green, D-Texas, introduced legislation Monday that would bar Trump from issuing a self-pardon.

“To permit the president to self-pardon would place the president above the law and beyond justice,” Green said in a statement.

Whether a president has the ability to issue a self-pardon is a favorite topic for lawyers to debate as there is really no clear resolution, Jonathan Turley, a legal scholar and law professor at George Washington University, told Fox News.

A president could make a ‘good-faith’ case for self-pardon

Turley has argued in multiple columns and on his own blog that while the Constitution should bar self-pardons, it doesn’t.

“The language of Article II is quite explicit in giving the president a pardon power over federal offenses with the only exception related to impeachments. Donald Trump can certainly make a good-faith textual case for the right to self-pardon,” Turley told Fox News.

Turley added that he objects to those “who are claiming clarity” in the argument.

“The fact that there is no clear answer after so many debates reflects the difficulty of the question,” he said. “The text would seem to support a self-pardon while there are good-faith arguments that it would contradict underlying values of the constitution.”

And while he said that it shouldn’t work, Michigan State Law professor Brian Kalt argued on his blog that a president “can certainly try” to self-pardon.

“The reason for uncertainty is that no president has ever tried to pardon himself, so no court has had the opportunity to decide the question,” Kalt said. “Until a president purports to pardon himself, and until a federal prosecutor tries to prosecute him anyway, we cannot know what the courts think about this.”

A presidential self-pardon ‘should not be regarded as valid’

While a court hasn’t ruled on the constitutionality of self-pardons, the answer is pretty evident, according to Richard Primus, a legal scholar and law professor at the University of Michigan.

“I think it’s pretty clear that there’s a right answer, and that answer is self-pardon should not be regarded as valid. A power to self-pardon would violate the basic rule-of-law principle that no person should be allowed to adjudicate his own case,” Primus told Fox News, adding that a pardon “by its nature might require two parties.”

“It’s really hard to imagine asking the Framers, ‘Hey, do you think the most powerful person in the government you’re creating should be able to break laws and then let himself off the hook?’ and having the Framers answer, ‘Yes, he should be able to do that,’” Primus continued.

Richard Painter, a law professor at the University of Minnesota and former White House ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush, told Fox News that the definition of the word “pardon” gives him pause when it comes to the idea that a president can self-pardon.

“What drives my view is the meaning of the word pardon – forgiveness, to forgive someone else,” he said.

Painter, vice-chair of the nonprofit Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said that giving the president the ability to self-pardon could allow for him to “commit any crimes he wanted in office” and then pardon himself before he left office.

“Why in the world would the Founders want that in the constitution,” Painter said.

Kermit Roosevelt, a University of Pennsylvania law professor, agreed that the president doesn’t have the authority to pardon himself, citing “the rule against political self-dealing.”

“Constitutional silence about something so obviously problematic should be read to indicate it’s not allowed,” Roosevelt told Fox News.

He said it’s “unlikely” that the Supreme Court would take up the issue.

“The only way that could happen would be if the president did try to pardon himself (unlikely in my view) and then a prosecutor indicted him (also unlikely, at least until he’s out of office) and then the president raised the pardon as a defense,” Roosevelt added.

Should a president self-pardon?

While constitutional scholars might disagree on the legality of self-pardons, Turley said that all should be able to agree on one point – “self-pardons are inherently abusive and ignoble.”

“No president in history has used this power to pardon himself – not Andrew Johnson, not Richard Nixon, not Bill Clinton. It would be a truly ignoble, historical moment for Donald Trump to use this type of power,” Turley said.

Dr. David Woodard, a political science professor at Clemson University, pointed to Nixon’s scandal-ridden presidency when asked if Trump could self-pardon.

“The abiding rule, repeated many times, was that ‘the president is not above the law,’” Woodard told Fox News. “By that, I think that official power might have been legal – but it proved to be politically suicidal.”

“The difference between public power and political responsibility makes some actions impossible,” Woodard added.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07 ... gh-in.html

[SuburbanFarmer]

Guess we'll find out if red America is ready for a king or not.

[Speaker to Animals]

Pardon himself for what exactly?

[C-Mag]

Not gonna happen................ Here are some other hits you may remember

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[Okeefenokee]

I wonder when TDS becomes terminal.

[Fife]

He can't keep getting away with it.

[C-Mag]

Pardon himself for what exactly?

This is really the only question. The FBI did not have the legal predicates for starting this investigation, Mueller was assingned without knowledge of specific crimes. It's a fucking inquisition.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Pardon himself for what exactly?

This is really the only question. The FBI did not have the legal predicates for starting this investigation, Mueller was assingned without knowledge of specific crimes. It's a fucking inquisition.

Either he effectively admits that there was a crime to pardon, or he issues some kind of “blanket pardon” for himself.

I’m not sure which is more ridiculous, but this is not 4d checkers.

[C-Mag]

Pardon himself for what exactly?

This is really the only question. The FBI did not have the legal predicates for starting this investigation, Mueller was assingned without knowledge of specific crimes. It's a fucking inquisition.

Either he effectively admits that there was a crime to pardon, or he issues some kind of “blanket pardon” for himself.

I’m not sure which is more ridiculous, but this is not 4d checkers.

Fruit of the poisonous tree.

It's the only question.

[clubgop]

Guess we'll find out if red America is ready for a king or not.

Are you ready to be correct about anything? Ever?