Hindus

[clubgop]

BBQ sauce, primary elections, drug interactions, constitutional rights, and now religions he doesn't get anything right yet he runs around here calling everyone else the idiot. Telling, indeed.

Add "can't imagine how it's possible to run a mom & pop shop in Manhattan."

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3632&start=30

Wow, even by GCF standards that is a new low. Forget the mom and pop shops you had that well in hand,but the reverence for OWS when he called the Tea party and pussyhats "lowest common denominator" but the trust fund socialist in their hep c infested campsites was the high minded statesman we should have accepted as our lords and saviors. The hits just keep on coming from his stupid ass. See Kath, when dirty dick and English faggot are backing your play, it's best to reassess.

[Hastur]

BBQ sauce, primary elections, drug interactions, constitutional rights, and now religions he doesn't get anything right yet he runs around here calling everyone else the idiot. Telling, indeed.

Add "can't imagine how it's possible to run a mom & pop shop in Manhattan."

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3632&start=30

Wow, even by GCF standards that is a new low. Forget the mom and pop shops you had that well in hand,but the reverence for OWS when he called the Tea party and pussyhats "lowest common denominator" but the trust fund socialist in their hep c infested campsites was the high minded statesman we should have accepted as our lords and saviors. The hits just keep on coming from his stupid ass. See Kath, when dirty dick and English faggot are backing your play, it's best to reassess.

He also believes that it is impossible to grow total wealth. All earnings have to come out of someone else's pocket. You also can't increase an objects value by working on it.

[clubgop]

Add "can't imagine how it's possible to run a mom & pop shop in Manhattan."

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3632&start=30

Wow, even by GCF standards that is a new low. Forget the mom and pop shops you had that well in hand,but the reverence for OWS when he called the Tea party and pussyhats "lowest common denominator" but the trust fund socialist in their hep c infested campsites was the high minded statesman we should have accepted as our lords and saviors. The hits just keep on coming from his stupid ass. See Kath, when dirty dick and English faggot are backing your play, it's best to reassess.

He also believes that it is impossible to grow total wealth. All earnings have to come out of someone else's pocket. You also can't increase an objects value by working on it.

Well that is odd, I recall him being overinvested in sweat equity when it came to real estate.

[BjornP]

No education was allowable outside of the Church. And yes, in many places, it was punishable by death to own a copy of the Bible. Translation out of Latin was heresy for centuries.

You already know this.

Next, you'll argue that it was the feudal lords that maintained this system, not the Church. But we both know why they did that, and who directed it.

Nonsense. That the Church initially was responsible for most education is not evidence that they outlawed all education outside the Church. They didn't have a monopoly, they were simply the only one's offering education up untill the 11th century.

First: Look up medieval universities. Bologna, for example. Then find me some evidence that Church outright banned education outside the Church - prior to the rise of the first medieval universities (because I know you won't find anything past that).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_h ... _Near_East

Christian Europe
See also: Byzantine higher education, Cathedral school, and Monastic school

The Pandidakterion of Constantinople, founded as an institution of higher learning in 425, educated graduates to take on posts of authority in the imperial service or within the Church.[7] It was reorganized as a corporation of students in 849 by the regent Bardas of emperor Michael III, is considered by some to be the earliest institution of higher learning with some of the characteristics we associate today with a university (research and teaching, auto-administration, academic independence, et cetera). If a university is defined as "an institution of higher learning" then it is preceded by several others, including the Academy that it was founded to compete with and eventually replaced. If the original meaning of the word is considered "a corporation of students" then this could be the first example of such an institution. The Preslav Literary School and Ohrid Literary School were the two major literary schools of the First Bulgarian Empire.

In Western Europe during the Early Middle Ages, bishops sponsored cathedral schools and monasteries sponsored monastic schools, chiefly dedicated to the education of clergy. The earliest evidence of a European episcopal school is that established in Visigothic Spain at the Second Council of Toledo in 527.[8] These early episcopal schools, with a focus on an apprenticeship in religious learning under a scholarly bishop, have been identified in Spain and in about twenty towns in Gaul during the 6th and 7th centuries.[9]

In addition to these episcopal schools, there were monastic schools which educated monks and nuns, as well as future bishops, at a more advanced level.[10] Around the turn of the 12th and 13th centuries, some of them developed into autonomous universities. A notable example is when the University of Paris grew out of the schools associated with the Cathedral of Notre Dame, the Monastery of Ste. Geneviève, and the Abbey of St. Victor.[11][12]

All church-related, out to Byzantium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_university

Hastings Rashdall set out the modern understanding[12] of the medieval origins of the universities, noting that the earliest universities emerged spontaneously as "a scholastic Guild, whether of Masters or Students... without any express authorisation of King, Pope, Prince or Prelate."[13]

Among the earliest universities of this type were the University of Bologna (1088), University of Paris (teach. mid-11th century, recogn. 1150), University of Oxford (teach. 1096, recogn. 1167), University of Modena (1175), University of Palencia (1208), University of Cambridge (1209), University of Salamanca (1218), University of Montpellier (1220), University of Padua (1222), University of Toulouse (1229), University of Orleans (1235), University of Siena (1240), University of Valladolid (1241) University of Northampton (1261), University of Coimbra (1288), University of Pisa (1343), Charles University in Prague (1348), Jagiellonian University (1364), University of Vienna (1365), Heidelberg University (1386) and the University of St Andrews (1413) begun as private corporations of teachers and their pupils.[14][15]

First non-religious school founded in Europe - University of Bologna, as you mentioned. So, we're already up to 4 centuries of church-only education.

General education of the masses though, wouldn't happen for another 700 years.

But we can imagine that a few wealthy kids and future monks constitute general literacy, if you want. It's not true, but I'm tired of pointing out the obvious.

Too late to move your goalpost, GCF. You claimed no education was allowed outside of the Church. That was what I told you you're wrong about ...and now you yourself just proved as much.

[clubgop]

It's never too late to move the goalpost when you own the Uhaul.

[Montegriffo]

Right. As long as religion ain't there anymore, there won't be anyone around anymore who'd want to control how you fuck, how you talk, how you act, how you believe. Oh, and of course... not having religions anymore, would obviously mean societies become much more rational, scientific, and not prone to unproven, untestable and unscientific belief systems. Like homeopathy... or democracy and human rights.

I don't think I said any of that.
My claim was that it would be slightly less oppressive. Small steps...

Why do you spend your entire life hating God, Monte?

I can't hate something which doesn't exist.
Religious rulers setting down the law are a different matter.
Time to move on without them.

[Ph64]

He also believes that it is impossible to grow total wealth. All earnings have to come out of someone else's pocket. You also can't increase an objects value by working on it.

Of course. If I take a $50 piece of steel, heat it in the furnace I bought for the purpose, hammer in on my anvil and craft a nice sword that I then turn around and sell for $400... I haven't increased the value of the steel and must therefore be "stealing" from the person I sold it to. Socialist logic.

[Hastur]

Ethics is predicated on the idea of God. Throw God away and you lose the foundation upon which our western values rest.

[Montegriffo]

Ethics is predicated on the idea of God. Throw God away and you lose the foundation upon which our western values rest.

If you say so...

[Hastur]

Ethics is predicated on the idea of God. Throw God away and you lose the foundation upon which our western values rest.

If you say so...

It has nothing to do with me. I don't believe in a personal God but I'm not ready to throw away thousands of years of distilled wisdom just because of that. Some rules can obviously be ignored because of things we've discovered, like how to eat shellfish and pork in a safe way, but to scrap the whole religion project and call it irrelevant in the modern world is a sure way to disaster.