A Discussion: Needle Exchanges

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Re: A Discussion: Needle Exchanges

Post by Kath » Fri May 18, 2018 8:02 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/upsh ... -work.html

If you can convince the champion of gay conversion therapy that the program works....

Today, injection drug use — notably, of heroin — is on the rise and has led to outbreaks of H.I.V. in some communities. In response, some leaders, like Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, have reversed course and embraced the programs.
The most frequently expressed concerns about the programs are that they promote drug use and raise crime levels. But according to many studies, that isn’t so. Instead, they are associated with increased participation in treatment programs.

Syringe exchange programs “reduce not only infectious disease but also create an opportunity for people to get the care and provide a transition into treatment for people in the community,” said Michael Botticelli, director of the federal Office of National Drug Control Policy, at an event sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce of northern Kentucky, a region hit hard by illegal drug use.

In the 1990s and early 2000s, seven evidence reviews for federal government agencies reaffirmed that syringe exchanges were effective, safe and cost-effective. Since then, numerous other studies of programs have replicated these results, including a systematic review by the World Health Organization and another by the United Nations. These include examination of exchange programs outside the United States, such as those in Canada and Australia.
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Re: A Discussion: Needle Exchanges

Post by DBTrek » Fri May 18, 2018 8:03 am

I’m equally at a loss. Where do we have needle exchange programs, except at safe injection sites?

Are some cities just opening drive-they windows for needle trades somewhere?
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Re: A Discussion: Needle Exchanges

Post by Kath » Fri May 18, 2018 8:04 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 8:02 am
You are going full-Kathy Newman again.
Time to go back to your iggy box... there's a good boy. Bye bye, now.
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Re: A Discussion: Needle Exchanges

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri May 18, 2018 8:08 am

DBTrek wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 8:03 am
I’m equally at a loss. Where do we have needle exchange programs, except at safe injection sites?

Are some cities just opening drive-they windows for needle trades somewhere?
It's the other way too. If you have a needle exchange, you are by definition creating a spot where people are going to shoot heroin as soon as they get the needles. If you enforced the law there, then the needle exchange would not be tenable.

To create a needle exchange, you have to not enforce the law at that exchange. By doing so, the addicts are going to shoot up right there because (1) nobody is going to do anything about it, and (2) they are probably already feeling withdrawal and in pain.
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Re: A Discussion: Needle Exchanges

Post by DBTrek » Fri May 18, 2018 8:08 am

Kath wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 8:02 am
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/upsh ... -work.html

If you can convince the champion of gay conversion therapy that the program works....

In the 1990s and early 2000s, seven evidence reviews for federal government agencies reaffirmed that syringe exchanges were effective, safe and cost-effective. Since then, numerous other studies of programs have replicated these results, including a systematic review by the World Health Organization and another by the United Nations.
Has even one of these studies taken a single bullet point I mentioned into consideration? Or do they all take the paltry “benefits” as isolated factoids and declare victory?

That question is obvious enough to be rhetorical but I’d sure like an answer from the needle exchange proponents.
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Re: A Discussion: Needle Exchanges

Post by Kath » Fri May 18, 2018 8:12 am

DBTrek wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 8:08 am

Has even one of these studies taken a single bullet point I mentioned into consideration? Or do they all take the paltry “benefits” as isolated factoids and declare victory?

That question is obvious enough to be rhetorical but I’d sure like an answer from the needle exchange proponents.
Well, for the third, and hopefully final, time, these programs are likely a lot harder to track in terms of success in areas where the city is encouraging people to shit on the streets.

Indiana is hardly a bastion of loony lefty policies, and it's working there. I've been to Indiana, as recently as 10 months ago, and I didn't see a single poop on the street, nor did I see a single tent set up under a bridge.

So, it is entirely possible, though I am only making a guess, that if your city sends out welcome banners to the homeless and the drug addicts, these programs are likely going to be less effective. I'd venture the only way to find out is to remove the needle exchange program in Seattle and see if the poop magically disappears.
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Re: A Discussion: Needle Exchanges

Post by DBTrek » Fri May 18, 2018 8:19 am

“Might sometimes work under some conditions” is a pretty far cry from DOES work with incredible ROI.

Making progress.
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Re: A Discussion: Needle Exchanges

Post by Kath » Fri May 18, 2018 8:23 am

DBTrek wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 8:19 am
“Might sometimes work under some conditions” is a pretty far cry from DOES work with incredible ROI.

Making progress.
;)
It's working in most places - mostly the ones that don't have "please shit in our streets" signs hanging everywhere. In fact, it's entirely possible that the encouragement of shitting in the streets has a negative impact on everything, including the good stuff. Why won't people go to the coffee shop where all the poop is? Must be proof that coffee shops can't attract customers.
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Re: A Discussion: Needle Exchanges

Post by DrYouth » Fri May 18, 2018 8:24 am

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Fri May 18, 2018 7:14 am
Now as to what I actually posted: let's rebuild mental health hospitals and start institutionalizing people again instead of leaving them on the streets to die.
Hang on....

Government institutions are the height of liberal paternalism.... especially government mandated "care".
Paying state employees to house and care for people against these peoples will....
This is the height of liberalism.... and it's gargantuan costs to achieve alienation and hostile dependence.

Wow STA... do you even see the contradictions in your position here.
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Re: A Discussion: Needle Exchanges

Post by DBTrek » Fri May 18, 2018 8:28 am

Kath wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 8:23 am
DBTrek wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 8:19 am
“Might sometimes work under some conditions” is a pretty far cry from DOES work with incredible ROI.

Making progress.
;)
It's working in most places - mostly the ones that don't have "please shit in our streets" signs hanging everywhere. In fact, it's entirely possible that the encouragement of shitting in the streets has a negative impact on everything, including the good stuff. Why won't people go to the coffee shop where all the poop is? Must be proof that coffee shops can't attract customers.
Yet we never can wrangle the definition of success from you. All we ever get is repeated assurances that it’s totally successful almost everywhere.

Not buying.
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