Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

[Fife]

The increase in homelessness can be explained by the rapidly increasing rents, caused by the tech boom, and outsiders migrating to Seattle.

Attracting outsiders is a messy feature of any city which decides to provide services for its homeless when other cities won't. Doesn't mean the right solution is to "let them freeze" as you so eloquently put it.

"Outsiders."

[JohnDonne]

Attracting outsiders is a messy feature of any city which decides to provide services for its homeless when other cities won't. Doesn't mean the right solution is to "let them freeze" as you so eloquently put it.

Ohhhhhh my.
Why sheriff, I do declare, I believe this scoundrel has begun fabricating quotes for me!


Had no idea you were feeling so boxxed in.
Guess you have more self awareness than you let on.

You're right, I should have posted the actual quote, my bad.

If the folks don’t have a single friend willing to save them, if no one in their family finds their lives worth saving, if even the Church is like “Nah, fuck this guy” ... then maybe freezing is the answer?

An example of the fine humanitarian that is DBwrecked.

[DBTrek]

By that logic, all revenue to the city should be suspended because a portion of it may have been mismanaged. I think we both know that's unreasonable though.

Actually, "by that logic" any city government that loses a billion dollars with no concrete results to show and a larger problem than they started with should be removed, and investigated for criminal conspiracy.

Yep.

I'm sure you disagree, of course.

[Kath]

I mean, you'd have to look at how that number was calculated, do these non-profits provide services to non-homeless that's being counted for homeless? But yes, it should be accounted for.

[/quote]

Wow. Seriously. Just wow.

Dude, if I give my kid $5 to get a candy bar, and he brings me back no change, and says, well, I also bought a card and headphones, well, he has misappropriated the funds I gave him.

This is not a difficult concept. Adding zeroes doesn't make it more complex.

If I give you money for X, and you use it for Y, you have stolen from me.

[JohnDonne]

@ Fife:

Subsidizing healthcare doesn't create more sick people, but it might create more patients.

Claiming that subsidizing homeless services creates more total homeless is about as sensible as saying healthcare subsidies creates sick people.

[DBTrek]

@ Fife:

Subsidizing healthcare doesn't create more sick people, but it might create more patients.

Claiming that subsidizing homeless services creates more total homeless is about as sensible as saying healthcare subsidies creates sick people.

Must be why places with and without homeless services have the exact same ratio of homeless people.
Right?

Right?

lulz

[Fife]

I don't pretend to have the answer.

But, for fun, we can look at deregulation. In California, to develop a plot, there needs to be road access that can accommodate fire/emergency services. Building that access can be prohibitively expensive.

Good regulation?

Like everything, "it depends." Do the people who are potential buyers value fire/emergency services at a level to justify paying for what might to other people appear as prohibitively expensive? What kind of insurance against loss is available, or even desirable?

Who should decide what is an appropriate level of fire/emergency services? The demand market, or rent-seekers who are looking for a vein to tap?

Gumdrop Candy Mountain is pretty fucking expensive. Maybe there should be some other options?

[Kath]

@ Fife:

Subsidizing healthcare doesn't create more sick people, but it might create more patients.

Claiming that subsidizing homeless services creates more total homeless is about as sensible as saying healthcare subsidies creates sick people.

So here's a little fun history story -

When they found diamonds in Africa, those who sought a living moved to Africa.

When they found gold in California; those who sought a living moved to California.

When they found out heroin users get free gibs in Seatle, those who sought to live free while high on heroin, moved to Seattle.

We get "snowbirds," every year, from (mostly) New York & Canada. There's no snow here, hence the reason they come here, they don't want snow. If it suddenly starts snowing here, they will stop coming here in the winter.

People go where the things they want are readily available. Uh... DUH?

[Fife]

@ Fife:

Subsidizing healthcare doesn't create more sick people, but it might create more patients.

Claiming that subsidizing homeless services creates more total homeless is about as sensible as saying healthcare subsidies creates sick people.

"Create more patients?"

Since it's obvious that you haven't studied any economics yet, google up "moral hazard" and "crowding out" as a start. Just as a start.

[JohnDonne]

@ Fife:

Subsidizing healthcare doesn't create more sick people, but it might create more patients.

Claiming that subsidizing homeless services creates more total homeless is about as sensible as saying healthcare subsidies creates sick people.

Must be why places with and without homeless services have the exact same ratio of homeless people.
Right?

Right?

lulz

Or the places without homeless services basically pawned their problem off on the cities that are actually accountable to their own needy. Why is this concept this so difficult for you?