Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

[Kath]

The thought leader commands his followers.

Damn, Doc.

Why are you refusing to answer my question, Jedi?

How much food do I have to feed the birds in my yard before they'll go away? It should be fairly easy.

You think the solution to the problem in Seattle is to keep giving drug users clean needles and a safe space to inject themselves with poison, so certainly, at some point, they will go away.

So, how much more food do I need to give the birds before they go away?

Amiright?

[nmoore63]

So the Money Per Human tax.

As I said before, puts human employment at an even further disadvantage to robots.

This should further purge all of the lower end jobs out of Seattle.

Perhaps that is the goal here?

Export poor people?

Traffic is too congested. Purge all the peasants jobs, perhaps they will go away and that should help my commute?

I mean, they can't honestly think that simply throwing money at a failed program will actually work? Right?

And even if you did, they can't honestly think that the best way to raise that revenue is to make entry level jobs more difficult to get and that will somehow help poor people? Right?

[DBTrek]

So the Money Per Human tax.

As I said before, puts human employment at an even further disadvantage to robots.

This should further purge all of the lower end jobs out of Seattle.

Perhaps that is the goal here?

Export poor people?

Traffic is too congested. Purge all the peasants jobs, perhaps they will go away and that should help my commute?

I mean, they can't honestly think that simply throwing money at a failed program will actually work? Right?

And even if you did, they can't honestly think that the best way to raise that revenue is to make entry level jobs more difficult to get and that will somehow help poor people? Right?

As Reason succinctly put it:

Seattle is worried about the well-being of the poor and mentally ill people living there, so it's going to drive businesses out of town.

Yep.
Progressivism, y’all.

[jediuser598]

The thought leader commands his followers.

Damn, Doc.

Why are you refusing to answer my question, Jedi?

How much food do I have to feed the birds in my yard before they'll go away? It should be fairly easy.

You think the solution to the problem in Seattle is to keep giving drug users clean needles and a safe space to inject themselves with poison, so certainly, at some point, they will go away.

So, how much more food do I need to give the birds before they go away?

Amiright?

I'm happy you brought up the needle exchange.

Going to quote from their website, which should give you their intention.

Needle exchange is a public health program for people who use drugs by injection (PWID). It is an important component of a comprehensive set of programs designed to reduce the spread of HIV and other blood-borne infections among people who inject drugs, their families and communities. Nationally, about a quarter of all people living with AIDS acquired HIV infection directly or indirectly through injection drug use: either from sharing injection equipment, having unprotected sex with an injection drug user, or transmission to children born to injection drug users.

Needle exchange programs provide new, sterile syringes and clean injection equipment in exchange for used, contaminated syringes. They also get drug users into drug treatment and health care. Other services include testing for HIV, hepatitis, TB and other infections to which drug users are prone; treatment readiness counseling and case management services; education about harms associated with drug use and how to minimize them; and safe disposal of contaminated equipment.

Seattle's program began operating in 1989. Currently Public Health operates exchange programs in downtown Seattle, Capitol Hill and South Seattle/South King County. Community-based agencies provide exchange services in other parts of the county.

"Is the needle exchange successful?"

YES. HIV infection among PWID has been shown to increase 6% per year on average in cities that do not have needle exchange. In contrast, HIV declined 6% per year among PWID in cities that have exchange programs. An Australian survey found that HIV prevalence declined 19% per year in cites with needle exchange compared to an 8% increase in cities that did not have exchange programs. In King County, the rate of HIV infection among PWID has remained low and stable for the past sixteen years, with only 3% of the local PWID population infected.

King County's program has also been successful in getting PWID off the streets and into drug treatment. In the last two years, Public Health needle exchange program placed 739 people in drug treatment.

2 Hurley, SF, Jolley, DJ, Kalidor, JM (1997). Effectiveness of needle-exchange programmes for prevention of HIV infection. The Lancet, 348:987-991.

3 Health Outcomes International (HOI), National Center for HIV Epidemiology and Clinical Research, Drummond, M (2002). Return on Investment in Needle and Syringe Programs in Australia. Canberra: Commonwealth Department of Health and Ageing.

https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/health ... hange.aspx

[PartyOf5]

But for the poor person being priced out of their home, an inefficient, wasteful solution is better than, "fuck you."

That solution is still an FU, it's just FU to the taxpayers.

[Speaker to Animals]

We should break off the three Pacific states to make them into semi-autonomous Marxist republics. They will draw the crazies out of our own states.

[DBTrek]

“Lampshade” victory for sure.

... “but aside from the deaths, the piles of dirty needles, the extraordinary cleanup costs of tent cities, the exploding emergency care costs, the public health hazards arising from open use, the sexual exploitation involved in the homeless drug trade, and having to teach your kids to step over unconscious users everywhere they walk ... junkies have 6% less HIV now! PROGRESSIVE VICTORY!”

[jediuser598]

junkies have 6% less HIV now!

Well at least we can agree on some facts, eh?

[Kath]

junkies have 6% less HIV now!

Well at least we can agree on some facts, eh?

Yet you can't imagine why people don't take you seriously. Real head-scratcher.

[jediuser598]

“Lampshade” victory for sure.

... “but aside from the deaths, the piles of dirty needles, the extraordinary cleanup costs of tent cities, the exploding emergency care costs, the public health hazards arising from open use, the sexual exploitation involved in the homeless drug trade, and having to teach your kids to step over unconscious users everywhere they walk ... junkies have 6% less HIV now! PROGRESSIVE VICTORY!”

If a junkie gets HIV from a used needle he's or she's sharing, should the state (read tax payer) be on the hook for his or her treatment?