Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by JohnDonne » Tue May 15, 2018 8:22 pm

Ph64 wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 8:17 pm
JohnDonne wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 7:42 pm
DBTrek wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 7:33 pm




"Amazon has agreed"

JohnDonne measures agreement by the rate of speed with which a global corporation can vacate a city. If Amazon isn't gone tomorrow, they've "agreed" to Seattle's "deal".
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Okay, keep us updated about when Amazon decides to leave off constructing the building that they pretended they weren’t gonna build. Can’t be cheap, making buildings in cities they’re about to vacate.
There might be contractual agreements/penalties that might well make it cheaper to continue and then just sell off or sub-lease the building out after completion, never actually occupying it themselves... Even while downsizing in said city and relocating offices to other areas. It's not always as black/white as you seem to make it out to be.
Very true, it’s not black and white, but the title of the thread is that Seattle strangled the golden goose. All I’m asking for is some sort of proof that the goose didn’t just shit out a giant golden egg.

I didn’t start with the assumptions and make dire predictions, just keeping it real while the sky is supposedly falling.

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by Fife » Tue May 15, 2018 8:25 pm

JohnDonne wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 8:16 pm
It’s like y’all are the ugly stepsisters from Cinderella. Nobody wants you. Amazon don’t want you. Amazon want Seattlerella. Seattlerella is the pretty one, Seattlerella wants to make sure Amazon is really a prince, get her that castle and shiet. Y’all be runnin with ya big feet and noses and bad teeth at the prince, bein like, “that bitch ain’t no thang, I’ll stuff my foot in that shoe!” Amazon be like, “nah, I’ll just give Seattlerella the castle.”
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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by Kath » Tue May 15, 2018 8:27 pm

JohnDonne wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 8:22 pm

Very true, it’s not black and white, but the title of the thread is that Seattle strangled the golden goose. All I’m asking for is some sort of proof that the goose didn’t just shit out a giant golden egg.

I didn’t start with the assumptions and make dire predictions, just keeping it real while the sky is supposedly falling.
I think you'll be fine. Homeless population will disappear and everyone will live happily ever after, while cities that allow for maximum freedom for the job creators will plunder into Lord of the Flies.
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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by JohnDonne » Tue May 15, 2018 8:55 pm

Kath wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 8:27 pm
JohnDonne wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 8:22 pm

Very true, it’s not black and white, but the title of the thread is that Seattle strangled the golden goose. All I’m asking for is some sort of proof that the goose didn’t just shit out a giant golden egg.

I didn’t start with the assumptions and make dire predictions, just keeping it real while the sky is supposedly falling.
I think you'll be fine. Homeless population will disappear and everyone will live happily ever after, while cities that allow for maximum freedom for the job creators will plunder into Lord of the Flies.
Straw man or false dilemma fallacy.

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by nmoore63 » Tue May 15, 2018 9:16 pm

Haumana wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 6:25 pm
"We'll be back for more!" Brilliant plan. :roll:

Fire everyone.
Close the mine.
Move on.

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by jediuser598 » Tue May 15, 2018 9:20 pm

JohnDonne wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 8:16 pm
It’s like y’all are the ugly stepsisters from Cinderella. Nobody wants you. Amazon don’t want you. Amazon want Seattlerella. Seattlerella is the pretty one, Seattlerella wants to make sure Amazon is really a prince, get her that castle and shiet. Y’all be runnin with ya big feet and noses and bad teeth at the prince, bein like, “that bitch ain’t no thang, I’ll stuff my foot in that shoe!” Amazon be like, “nah, I’ll just give Seattlerella the castle.”
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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by DBTrek » Tue May 15, 2018 10:01 pm

"How are they unaccountable?"
"The city's General Fund and voter-approved spending has grown from $1.28 billion in 2012 to $1.78 billion in 2016, a 39 percent increase," said the letter. "Over the same period, Seattle's population grew by only 11 percent, and cumulative inflation was only 6.8 percent.

"One must ask, what do we have to show for this drastic increase in spending?"[/b]. . .

. . ."Recommendations from national homelessness experts that Seattle could make serious progress in addressing homelessness have been ignored (at best) and arguably rejected by the Council (at worst)," said the letter.

"For example, the Council recently restored funding to certain homeless service providers that failed to meet the performance requirements of the recent Request for Proposal process. This is a concrete example of the Council's politicization of the homeless services contracting system . . ."

https://www.seattlepi.com/local/politic ... 785992.php
They spend money without achieving success, then simply raise taxes for failed policies. That's being both financially unaccountable and holding oneself unaccountable for failure. I didn't say they were not elected.

The original head tax was allegedly going to build 2000 of a needed 20,000 "affordable housing units". Now they've passed a tax to fund about 900.

So the first plan was to tax businesses an intolerable amount to create 10% of the needed "affordable housing". Instead they've passed a tax that merely slows business growth to fund less than 5% of what they claim to need. Wow. Seattle just taxed our major employers into stasis so they could fund less than 5% of their own solution to homelessness.

But don't call them unaccountable.
And don't ask where the $50 million they spent in 2017 went.
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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by Okeefenokee » Tue May 15, 2018 10:04 pm

Businesses Leaving Seattle Because the City is Simply Scuzzy

“I’m moving my business out of Seattle city limits, not only because of the homeless situation, but because of a variety of factors; definitely the tone and tenor of the city hasn’t helped the situation,” Benezra told the Dori Monson Show.

The “tone and tenor” from Seattle officials, according to Benezra, is a toleration of the homeless problem and poor treatment of local businesses. He’s witnessed the homeless issue get worse around his business, Buffalo Industries, located in SoDo since the 1940s.

“I haven’t seen the area look as bad as it looks currently, the homeless problem has become an issue,” he said. “Not just for us, but for all the surrounding businesses. We also own some other properties, as well, down here and it’s a constant problem.”

https://iotwreport.com/businesses-leavi ... ly-scuzzy/
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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by JohnDonne » Wed May 16, 2018 2:10 am

DBTrek wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 10:01 pm
"How are they unaccountable?"
"The city's General Fund and voter-approved spending has grown from $1.28 billion in 2012 to $1.78 billion in 2016, a 39 percent increase," said the letter. "Over the same period, Seattle's population grew by only 11 percent, and cumulative inflation was only 6.8 percent.

"One must ask, what do we have to show for this drastic increase in spending?"[/b]. . .

. . ."Recommendations from national homelessness experts that Seattle could make serious progress in addressing homelessness have been ignored (at best) and arguably rejected by the Council (at worst)," said the letter.

"For example, the Council recently restored funding to certain homeless service providers that failed to meet the performance requirements of the recent Request for Proposal process. This is a concrete example of the Council's politicization of the homeless services contracting system . . ."

https://www.seattlepi.com/local/politic ... 785992.php
They spend money without achieving success, then simply raise taxes for failed policies. That's being both financially unaccountable and holding oneself unaccountable for failure. I didn't say they were not elected.

The original head tax was allegedly going to build 2000 of a needed 20,000 "affordable housing units". Now they've passed a tax to fund about 900.

So the first plan was to tax businesses an intolerable amount to create 10% of the needed "affordable housing". Instead they've passed a tax that merely slows business growth to fund less than 5% of what they claim to need. Wow. Seattle just taxed our major employers into stasis so they could fund less than 5% of their own solution to homelessness.
A failed policy is kind of relative to the other available options. For example, your proposed policy of creating zero affordable houses for the poor and telling them to fuck off would be "successful" on its own terms, but would not solve the poor people's actual issue. Not coincidentally, that plan got passed up for the policy that creates 900 more affordable homes than there were before.

Perhaps that money could have been spent more efficiently to solve the problem.

But for the poor person being priced out of their home, an inefficient, wasteful solution is better than, "fuck you."

You can't be mad that people chose something that you think sucks, if you gave them an even worse choice.

Poor people are not going to vote themselves out of their own city. Likely the way they figure it is this: If the companies leave because of the tax, the rent becomes affordable again, if they get the affordable housing tax dollars, then at least 900 more low income workers and their families will be able to live there. For the low income Seattleites, this is a rational choice. The reason they keep voting for the liberal council is because the conservative politicians have nothing to offer them, and as you admit yourself, neither do you.
But don't call them unaccountable.
And don't ask where the $50 million they spent in 2017 went.
From the article:
A City Council spokesperson says the dollars are tracked by the Mayor’s Office and broken up by different departments.

When you look at the Department of Human Services, for example, you see a pie graph breaking down the dollars.

About 34% went to permanent housing support and 50% got eaten up in the emergency category -- things like hygiene centers, authorized encampments and emergency shelters.
The mayor on Monday also said she’s hearing the concerns, promising to account for every penny spent.

“The people of Seattle have my pledge as their mayor I am going to work as hard as I can to make sure that every penny is spent wisely and efficiently and makes a difference,” Mayor Jenny Durkan said.

Durkan has until December 14 to submit a final spending proposal.

She says she will also hire an independent economist and appoint an oversight committee.

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by Kath » Wed May 16, 2018 6:45 am

JohnDonne wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 8:55 pm


Straw man or false dilemma fallacy.
You are literally complaining that Amazon is a big-ole meanie for providing excellent paying jobs. There's not much to say to that, really. It speaks volumes all by itself.

A child can understand this very simple concept. Can you think of a child who would complain that his/her allowance is too high?
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