1913: The Last Counter-Revolution?

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Here's an interesting piece about 1913. We had a 18th century Revolution, a 19th century Second Revolution, and . . . what do we call the Proggo takeover in the early 20th? Now its the 21st; how far are we away from an Article V Convention?

1913: The Turning Point
In 1913, Woodrow Wilson was the newly elected president. Wilson and his fellow progressives scorned the Constitution and the Declaration. They moved swiftly to replace the Founders' republic with a new regime.

There is widespread agreement that Wilson did not always show good judgment – for example, in his blunders in international relations – but in the project of overturning the Founding, he and the movement he led selected their targets shrewdly. By the time he left office, the American republic was, as they say, history. The fundamentals of the new regime were in place, and the expansion of government under FDR, LBJ, and Obama was made easy, perhaps even inevitable.

Nineteen-thirteen gave us the 16th and 17th Amendments to the Constitution. That year also saw the creation of the Federal Reserve. This burst of changes marks the effective beginning of the Progressive Era in American politics, the era in which we now live. Wilson was to do much more that would once have been considered out of bounds, but these three changes were enough to change everything. In 1913, the fundamental agreement the Founders made with the American people about the relation of the states and the federal government was broken.
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This is part of the reason I consider Woodrow Wilson our worst president ever. While Teddy is considered a Progressive, he was a proto-progressive, Woody blew up the whole damn thing.

I firmly believe we are in the early stages of that 21st C Revolution that will see the end of a century of Progressivism. IMO, it's still up in the air as to whether more Liberty or Tyranny will win out. Should be a fun ride.
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Nah. As soon as the jackalopes closed the deal in the last convention, the federal shit show was already taking off.

Just creating a federation in the first place is the problem. Confederation is the way to go.
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Fife wrote:Here's an interesting piece about 1913. We had a 18th century Revolution, a 19th century Second Revolution, and . . . what do we call the Proggo takeover in the early 20th? Now its the 21st; how far are we away from an Article V Convention?

1913: The Turning Point
In 1913, Woodrow Wilson was the newly elected president. Wilson and his fellow progressives scorned the Constitution and the Declaration. They moved swiftly to replace the Founders' republic with a new regime.

There is widespread agreement that Wilson did not always show good judgment – for example, in his blunders in international relations – but in the project of overturning the Founding, he and the movement he led selected their targets shrewdly. By the time he left office, the American republic was, as they say, history. The fundamentals of the new regime were in place, and the expansion of government under FDR, LBJ, and Obama was made easy, perhaps even inevitable.

Nineteen-thirteen gave us the 16th and 17th Amendments to the Constitution. That year also saw the creation of the Federal Reserve. This burst of changes marks the effective beginning of the Progressive Era in American politics, the era in which we now live. Wilson was to do much more that would once have been considered out of bounds, but these three changes were enough to change everything. In 1913, the fundamental agreement the Founders made with the American people about the relation of the states and the federal government was broken.
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How much better would we be if we didn't popularly elect our Senators or had property qualifications to vote? We'd only be in the "Timocracy" phase of Plato's corruption instead of that hated "democracy"...
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While the counter revolution was taking off in 1913 in the US, future leaders of WWII were oddly all in Vienna

1913: When Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all lived in the same place
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C-Mag wrote:This is part of the reason I consider Woodrow Wilson our worst president ever. While Teddy is considered a Progressive, he was a proto-progressive, Woody blew up the whole damn thing.

I firmly believe we are in the early stages of that 21st C Revolution that will see the end of a century of Progressivism. IMO, it's still up in the air as to whether more Liberty or Tyranny will win out. Should be a fun ride.
I think Washington was out worst president. He wasnt honest about his real hair, and that set a precedent of mendacity and deceit for the American public. Hey George! We know that was a wig. Nice try buddy! Im not going to idolize someone who thinks the destruction of a cherry tree on private property is acceptable.
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heydaralon wrote:
C-Mag wrote:This is part of the reason I consider Woodrow Wilson our worst president ever. While Teddy is considered a Progressive, he was a proto-progressive, Woody blew up the whole damn thing.

I firmly believe we are in the early stages of that 21st C Revolution that will see the end of a century of Progressivism. IMO, it's still up in the air as to whether more Liberty or Tyranny will win out. Should be a fun ride.
I think Washington was out worst president. He wasnt honest about his real hair, and that set a precedent of mendacity and deceit for the American public. Hey George! We know that was a wig. Nice try buddy! Im not going to idolize someone who thinks the destruction of a cherry tree on private property is acceptable.
Well there's all of that to point out his treachery, but we could add the little ole factoid that he invaded his own country, as the only sitting POTUS to ever ride up front to lead federal troops on the march for the blood of American citizens, all to enforce Massa Alex's revenue system.

/shrug
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Fife wrote:
heydaralon wrote:
C-Mag wrote:This is part of the reason I consider Woodrow Wilson our worst president ever. While Teddy is considered a Progressive, he was a proto-progressive, Woody blew up the whole damn thing.

I firmly believe we are in the early stages of that 21st C Revolution that will see the end of a century of Progressivism. IMO, it's still up in the air as to whether more Liberty or Tyranny will win out. Should be a fun ride.
I think Washington was out worst president. He wasnt honest about his real hair, and that set a precedent of mendacity and deceit for the American public. Hey George! We know that was a wig. Nice try buddy! Im not going to idolize someone who thinks the destruction of a cherry tree on private property is acceptable.
Well there's all that to point out his treachery, but we could add the factoid that he invaded his own country, as the only sitting POTUS to ever lead troops on the march for blood, to enforce Massa Alex's revenue system.

/shrug
Are you talking about the Whiskey Rebellion? I forget the authors name (Hogeland or something like that) that discusses this. Its been awhile since I read it, but I thought it was interesting.
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All of Hogeland's stuff is good, IMNSHO. https://www.amazon.com/William-Hogeland/e/B001IR3IHG