How It Happens

[SuburbanFarmer]

Nah, we have more coal than anyone, except maybe Russia. We export it to China, not import.

[Okeefenokee]

Oh, it's going to take time for a lot of accomplishments. But he's not doing too bad.

ISIS has surrendered most of it's forces in Iraq. Trump was able to negotiate the release of Americans Obama was not able to....... Warmbier, the recently family from Afghanistan. He has repealed a ton of regulations, he killed the future disaster called the TPP, he is working to decentralize the government, the Dept of the Interior is likely headed out of DC, with the NFL conflict he's shown the American people that average citizens can stand up to privileged Millionaires, he's arrested more pedophiles than the entire Obama admin, Wall prototypes are being built right now. Trump has also reached across the aisle to prevent a government shutdown.

It's really funny that you went right to discrediting Trump on accomplishments. I just told you that's the Establishment line, gotta keep the outsider from appearing successful.

TPP was DOA, Warmbier was lobotomized, and Trump has exactly zero to do with the family getting out of Afghanistan. The wall is a sad joke, and I have no idea what you think he's accomplishing with the NFL.

You're assigning him credit for a whole lot of things that just happened.

You can give him full credit for pissing off Kim Jung Un, which is funny until it isn't. You can also credit him with kicking off a whole shitload of confusion about what exactly our foreign stance is, which is just a bit of a problem, given our 2,000ish military bases across the globe, but I'm sure it will work out great, because he's not a politician.

You just drink up that kool-aid. Your fake news makes you feel warm and safe. Nevermind your progressive agenda falling to pieces around you. Just snuggle up to some more fake news and suck your binky.

[Okeefenokee]

Well shit, I guess Trump is finished now. .................... really, this time he's finished.

Are you going to deny him credit for low unemployment and GDP growth?

Unless you can point to something he’s done to cause it, yes.

The economic cycle is reaching its peak. And unemployment claims don’t work like you think they do. Those are only newly-unemployed people.

As I said before.
He has repealed a ton of regulations, he killed the future disaster called the TPP
add to that, kill Obama's great plan to " Put Coal out of Business"

More deregulation than the last two or three presidents together.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Oh, it's going to take time for a lot of accomplishments. But he's not doing too bad.

ISIS has surrendered most of it's forces in Iraq. Trump was able to negotiate the release of Americans Obama was not able to....... Warmbier, the recently family from Afghanistan. He has repealed a ton of regulations, he killed the future disaster called the TPP, he is working to decentralize the government, the Dept of the Interior is likely headed out of DC, with the NFL conflict he's shown the American people that average citizens can stand up to privileged Millionaires, he's arrested more pedophiles than the entire Obama admin, Wall prototypes are being built right now. Trump has also reached across the aisle to prevent a government shutdown.

It's really funny that you went right to discrediting Trump on accomplishments. I just told you that's the Establishment line, gotta keep the outsider from appearing successful.

TPP was DOA, Warmbier was lobotomized, and Trump has exactly zero to do with the family getting out of Afghanistan. The wall is a sad joke, and I have no idea what you think he's accomplishing with the NFL.

You're assigning him credit for a whole lot of things that just happened.

You can give him full credit for pissing off Kim Jung Un, which is funny until it isn't. You can also credit him with kicking off a whole shitload of confusion about what exactly our foreign stance is, which is just a bit of a problem, given our 2,000ish military bases across the globe, but I'm sure it will work out great, because he's not a politician.

You just drink up that kool-aid. Your fake news makes you feel warm and safe. Nevermind your progressive agenda falling to pieces around you. Just snuggle up to some more fake news and suck your binky.

Oh good. You have some more examples of how Trump has made us Great Again?

[Fife]

No, that's literally an example of a positive externality. It's a cost of production that the company actually pays but people other than the company can benefit from it without paying that cost. That was actually one of the examples I remember from macroeconomics 101.

OK, but how are paid internships/scholarships/training, &c., paid for by a firm and not by the state, an externality? I don't get how it would be. Firms spend a shitload on recruiting; it takes many shapes.

Anything that the firm spends money on that can be transferred to other firms without other firms paying for it is a positive externality. Job training and skill acquisition is just the obvious example. There exist others that are not so obvious.

I don't understand what you mean by "anything that the firm spends money on that can be transferred to other firms without other firms paying for it is a positive externality." And I'm not being obtuse about it, not intentionally, anyway. I really don't grok it. Can you dumb it down for me?

[Okeefenokee]

TPP was DOA, Warmbier was lobotomized, and Trump has exactly zero to do with the family getting out of Afghanistan. The wall is a sad joke, and I have no idea what you think he's accomplishing with the NFL.

You're assigning him credit for a whole lot of things that just happened.

You can give him full credit for pissing off Kim Jung Un, which is funny until it isn't. You can also credit him with kicking off a whole shitload of confusion about what exactly our foreign stance is, which is just a bit of a problem, given our 2,000ish military bases across the globe, but I'm sure it will work out great, because he's not a politician.

You just drink up that kool-aid. Your fake news makes you feel warm and safe. Nevermind your progressive agenda falling to pieces around you. Just snuggle up to some more fake news and suck your binky.

Oh good. You have some more examples of how Trump has made us Great Again?

suck it

[TheReal_ND]

We didn't say there existed no ways for the coal industry to pay for their negative externalities. We said they weren't paying those externalities in the first place. If they did, they'd go out of business because natural gas and nuclear would be cheaper.

Perhaps. Not sure about that. I do know most of our coal comes from China where it's like dude whatever.

I think most of our coal comes from Appalachia still, though I am not certain of that. Even if we imported all the coal from China, we'd still burn it here and the utilities that run those coalfire plants would continue to pay for ZERO of the costs of the twenty plus thousand fatalities they cause in the American population each year from lung cancer. If the negative externalities of coal were paid for by the industries mining and burning coal, then coal would no longer be profitable for them. They would transition to natural gas or nuclear (which also have negative externalities, but nothing nearly as bad as coal). Instead they just mine and burn this shit, and the additional costs of this activity are picked up by individual Americans and by tax payers.

It's actually a failure of capitalism to provide an efficient market because you need somebody to force these firms to pay for their negative externalities. There really exists no such mechanism for that in our society. We just regulate them, but that doesn't really solve the problem. At best, regulation can reduce the negative externalities or maybe eliminate them, but in cases where such negative externalities still exist, you have an inefficient market that is not properly weeding out poor industry practices (like coal).

Willingly, I would concede we don't run an efficient market.

Something is fucky here but I can't put my finger on it.

Whatever. I'm going to resort to my fall back premise that if whites actually cared about a white country they wouldn't fuck it over.

[SuburbanFarmer]

You just drink up that kool-aid. Your fake news makes you feel warm and safe. Nevermind your progressive agenda falling to pieces around you. Just snuggle up to some more fake news and suck your binky.

Oh good. You have some more examples of how Trump has made us Great Again?

suck it

And how’s that worked out for ya so far?

[Fife]

You're just too blinded by your MSM propaganda-fueled hatred of Trump to see that his election was an example of Americans resisting the very kinds of totalitarianism described in this essay.

I understand it completely. And in a blind frenzy, they elected the most idiotic candidate in modern history, who has accomplished exactly nothing, save to publicly humiliate the country, in the eyes of all but his most ardent supporters.

Trump is not Hitler. The machine of government is rolling toward totality, regardless of a blathering figurehead in front of it.

exactly nothing, everyone.\

you're dumb.

The really amusing thing about marxists is that they are so dumb that they are kind of funny.

The really sad thing about them is that they are the "intellectual" coattail-riders of the media darings of the day. They think they are so clever while they are toting the water for the state.

[Fife]

Something is fucky here but I can't put my finger on it.

Whatever. I'm going to resort to my fall back premise that if whites actually cared about a white country they wouldn't fuck it over.

Keep reading H-H Hoppe. You're on the right track, young Jedi.