Plutarch on animal ethics

[heydaralon]

I find some comfort in the fact that 84% of Vegans revert back to omnivorism. It tells me that even they can be cured of their self-inflicted stupidity. One day, JohnDonne will eat meat again. Its a ticking clock that he fights with every day in an attempt to deny his evolution and biology.

[Speaker to Animals]

The statistics don't show that the vast majority would shift away from that ideology. That is your ridiculous interpretation of the statistics, big difference. Not saying it wouldn't help, but nowhere near as much as you think it will.

Yes, actually they do. Men who get stronger, as a group, shift rightward. This is a well-documented phenomenon.

They won't shift as far rightward as you think they will. The stats do not agree with your assertion in that regard.

For example, most vegans ate meat and dairy before becoming vegan, yet they still embrace the ideology before they deprived themselves of the hormones, cholesterol and proper protein, all this, despite your belief that eating meat and dairy will solve most of the problem, and PT will solve most of the rest of it.

Wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

They will shift and they do shift. This is a well-documented phenomenon. There is nothing wishful about it. It's plain fact.

[StCapps]

They will shift and they do shift. This is a well-documented phenomenon. There is nothing wishful about it. It's plain fact.

Dude. I already said they will shift. Stop pretending that I am arguing against that position, I am not.

But I am also saying that not as many of them will shift as far-rightward as you think they will, just because they eat meat and diary, and do some PT.

[StCapps]

I find some comfort in the fact that 84% of Vegans revert back to omnivorism. It tells me that even they can be cured of their self-inflicted stupidity. One day, JohnDonne will eat meat again. Its a ticking clock that he fights with every day in an attempt to deny his evolution and biology.

Maybe JohnDonne won't eat meat again, but plenty of vegans will, like you say, it's mostly a phase. When they do eat meat again, most of them won't be magically cured of leftist thinking though, that's not how it works, don't let StA fool you.

[JohnDonne]

JD, in all seriousness.. If you gave me about 18 months where you agreed to eat dairy and eggs such that your protein and fat consumption is enough to fix your hormonal problems and build muscle, and then gave me about two hours four four nights per week to train, you would be quite a bit healthier. Furthermore, after putting a fair amount of muscle on and increasing your testosterone to healthy levels, your confidence and outlook would transform dramatically.

Basically, all these female political ideologies you embrace would strike you as absolutely pathetic for a grown man to espouse.

This shit in your head is predominantly an evolutionary response to your weakness. This is not an attack on you. I was right there at one time. For many men out there, liberalism is a health issue. It is not a legitimate political position at all, but the consequence of being unmasculine and weak.

And eating dairy and eggs does not involve killing animals. You can go to an organic grocer to purchase free range eggs and grass-fed dairy. There are even co-ops where you can buy raw milk and eggs directly from a farm you can personally inspect.


All you need to pull out of this otherwise fatal nosedive is to add sufficient dairy and eggs to your vegetarian diet, and to train at least four days per week. You will put on at least twenty lbs of muscle in 18 months and feel so much better about yourself.


Liberalism is a health and masculinity crisis as much as anything else.

No offense, but I don't take you seriously. Nothing you write ever turns out to be true. You're a silly ass.

I'm going to post some actual scientific evidence now.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/

Mean serum insulin-like growth factor-I was 9% lower in 233 vegan men than in 226 meat-eaters and 237 vegetarians (P = 0.002). Vegans had higher testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat-eaters, but this was offset by higher sex hormone binding globulin, and there were no differences between diet groups in free testosterone, androstanediol glucuronide or luteinizing hormone. © 2000 Cancer Research Campaign

If you're concerned about your own personally declining manhood, that's on you, don't project at vegans, look at the choices you make, like eating animal products heavy in dioxins.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/28/health/28haza.html

Researchers have found that high blood levels of a certain dioxin commonly found in the general male population may be associated with decreased testosterone levels and a not necessarily beneficial inhibition of prostate growth. Dioxins are a toxic byproduct of various industrial processes that are ingested in the fat of meats and dairy products.

As for eggs and dairy, they are as bad as the meat industry when it comes to killing animals, that includes the organic and free range marketing bullshit.

[JohnDonne]

Basically:

1. Eat enough dairy and whey protein such that your protein intake is about 0.7 grams of protein per lbs of body weight or higher.

2. Eat at least two eggs per day for cholesterol.

3. Strength training four nights per week (after 18 months, you'd probably want to increase this to 5-6 nights per week).

4. (optional) Learn a fighting system.




I shit you not, if most liberal men did the above, their politics would completely change. And no animals are harmed doing the above.

They are being raped though. Milk collection is rape. Period. The animal is in a subservient position with the person in a position of power. The animal cannot by definition, say no, and even if it could physically do so, it lacks the larynx and throat structure to audibilize it thus making the act of milking rape. There is no debating it.

To get a cow pregnant and make milk a farmer shoves his arm into her anus. He fucks the cow with his arm, essentially.

[heydaralon]

Friendly fire dude! I am on your side. Those dairy farmers should be in prison for life!

[Fife]

Anal pregnancy is no joke.

[JohnDonne]

Anal pregnancy is no joke.

Don’t believe me? Look it up

[heydaralon]

Drinking dairy milk is actually more morally reprehensible than drinking Tea that Weinstein offered you, because at least those whores consented and got an acting career in the bargain. I'm never going to drink milk again, and for my cereal I will only use a tiny amount so as not to be as morally culpable.