Taxation without representation, home ownership and other forms of taxes.

[StCapps]

No shit Sherlock its a minority belief. If it wasn't we wouldn't be bending over each time we got a paycheck and saving/burning 20% of it to go to housing taxes and paying taxes on everything we nearly buy...

Fuck, we pay how much in taxes each year at the end of the year, on top of taxes for our income, and then for things we buy after we've been taxed already on said money? You realize the entire system is designed to fuck you over and never allow you to get ahead right?

Civilized countries tax to provide civilization, and most tax more than us. Sounds like you need to move to some shithole country with no functional government to tax you or provide services like roads, police and schools. Quit bitching and vote with your feet!

Don't need high taxes to provide public services. Higher taxes can actually limit tax receipts and leave less money for public services. Plenty of low tax jurisdictions are plenty civilized and have public services that are superior to many high tax jurisdictions. The free market provides more civilization than taxes ever will.

[The Conservative]

No shit Sherlock its a minority belief. If it wasn't we wouldn't be bending over each time we got a paycheck and saving/burning 20% of it to go to housing taxes and paying taxes on everything we nearly buy...

Fuck, we pay how much in taxes each year at the end of the year, on top of taxes for our income, and then for things we buy after we've been taxed already on said money? You realize the entire system is designed to fuck you over and never allow you to get ahead right?

Civilized countries tax to provide civilization, and most tax more than us. Sounds like you need to move to some shithole country with no functional government to tax you or provide services like roads, police and schools. Quit bitching and vote with your feet!

Yeah, and we call them shitholes for a reason.

That being said, ever think that when over 50% of your taxes going to the way of the gov't isn't a bad thing by the majority of the people, something may be wrong?

[brewster]

No shit Sherlock its a minority belief. If it wasn't we wouldn't be bending over each time we got a paycheck and saving/burning 20% of it to go to housing taxes and paying taxes on everything we nearly buy...

Fuck, we pay how much in taxes each year at the end of the year, on top of taxes for our income, and then for things we buy after we've been taxed already on said money? You realize the entire system is designed to fuck you over and never allow you to get ahead right?

Civilized countries tax to provide civilization, and most tax more than us. Sounds like you need to move to some shithole country with no functional government to tax you or provide services like roads, police and schools. Quit bitching and vote with your feet!

Yeah, and we call them shitholes for a reason.

That being said, ever think that when over 50% of your taxes going to the way of the gov't isn't a bad thing by the majority of the people, something may be wrong?

Depends on what you're getting, don't it? Some countries they get nice healthcare included in that.

Cappy said:

Don't need high taxes to provide public services. Higher taxes can actually limit tax receipts and leave less money for public services. Plenty of low tax jurisdictions are plenty civilized and have public services that are superior to many high tax jurisdictions. The free market provides more civilization than taxes ever will.

You'll have to back that up with data, services cost money. And the free market provides services to those that pay, we don't want to go back to subscription fire services.

[StCapps]

Civilized countries tax to provide civilization, and most tax more than us. Sounds like you need to move to some shithole country with no functional government to tax you or provide services like roads, police and schools. Quit bitching and vote with your feet!

Yeah, and we call them shitholes for a reason.

That being said, ever think that when over 50% of your taxes going to the way of the gov't isn't a bad thing by the majority of the people, something may be wrong?

Depends on what you're getting, don't it? Some countries they get nice healthcare included in that.

Cappy said:

Don't need high taxes to provide public services. Higher taxes can actually limit tax receipts and leave less money for public services. Plenty of low tax jurisdictions are plenty civilized and have public services that are superior to many high tax jurisdictions. The free market provides more civilization than taxes ever will.

You'll have to back that up with data, services cost money. And the free market provides services to those that pay, we don't want to go back to subscription fire services.

The data backs it up. Guess you've never heard of the laffer curve, higher taxes do not always equal more funds. The Kennedy and Reagan tax cuts are prime examples, they raised federal revenue despite cutting the tax rate. Lots of well off tax havens also have well funded public services. Your assumption that all best public services can only be achieved via a high rate of taxation is economically illiterate.

America spends more per capita on many social services than higher tax rate jurisdictions do, more money to spend doesn't always equal better run public services either. If you think the data backs you up that high tax rates and/or high spending on public services always equals better outcomes, your lefty bias is showing.

[brewster]

Yeah, and we call them shitholes for a reason.

That being said, ever think that when over 50% of your taxes going to the way of the gov't isn't a bad thing by the majority of the people, something may be wrong?

Depends on what you're getting, don't it? Some countries they get nice healthcare included in that.

Cappy said:

Don't need high taxes to provide public services. Higher taxes can actually limit tax receipts and leave less money for public services. Plenty of low tax jurisdictions are plenty civilized and have public services that are superior to many high tax jurisdictions. The free market provides more civilization than taxes ever will.

You'll have to back that up with data, services cost money. And the free market provides services to those that pay, we don't want to go back to subscription fire services.

The data backs it up. Guess you've never heard of the laffer curve, higher taxes do not always equal more funds. The Kennedy and Reagan tax cuts are prime examples, they raised federal revenue despite cutting the tax rate. Lots of well off tax havens also have well funded public services. Your assumption that all best public services can only be achieved via a high rate of taxation is economically illiterate.

America spends more per capita on many social services than higher tax rate jurisdictions do, more money to spend doesn't always equal better run public services either. If you think the data backs you up that high tax rates and/or high spending on public services always equals better outcomes, your lefty bias is showing.

Laffer is top of the list with Friedman as the "idea guys" who destroyed this country's middle class with "trickle down" that has never, ever worked in 40 years. He was a charlatan. Show your work with Reagan, my reading has been that it didn't work as advertised. Using tax havens as an example is laughable. When you attract tons of offshore money you can afford to tax it low, that's not an actual economy.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front ... -tax-cuts/

When Ronald Reagan arrived in Washington in 1981, circumstances were very different than they are today. Inflation was nearly 10 percent. The Federal Reserve had pushed interest rates into double digits. The federal debt was about half what it is today, measured as a share of the economy. The Reagan tax cut was huge. The top rate fell from 70 percent to 50 percent. The tax cut didn’t pay for itself. According to later Treasury estimates, it reduced federal revenues by about 9 percent in the first couple of years. In fact, most of the top Reagan administration officials didn’t think the tax cut would pay for itself. They were counting on spending cuts to avoid blowing up the deficit. But they never materialized.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... al-growth/

Bruce Bartlett: I helped create the GOP tax myth. Trump is wrong: Tax cuts don’t equal growth.

[Fife]

Art Laffer and Paul Krugman are two dumbassed federal reserve peas in a pod.


Stupid assholes gonna stupid asshole, who knew?

[clubgop]

"Treasury estimates" as if they ever been accurate.

Did you miss Wednesday or should we wait till next week?

[brewster]

Art Laffer and Paul Krugman are two dumbassed federal reserve peas in a pod.
Stupid assholes gonna stupid asshole, who knew?

Tax cuts to raise revenue really don't have much to do with Fed policy. Laffer was wrong, supply side was wrong. It never trickled down, the top quintile has gained tremendously since Reagan and everyone else has been lucky not to lose ground. Earnings have been flat. The entire theory is wrong, what Krugman calls 'Zombie Economics', the theory so attractive to those who benefit it simply won't die. It was wrong for Reagan, it was wrong for Bush, it was wrong for Kansas, just fucking wrong.

TC wants the benefits of living in a high tax state, good jobs and services, without paying for them. He doesn't want to move his family to a low tax state. Neither would I, but I don't bitch about it. He could, but he'd rather complain he's not getting his free lunch.

[clubgop]

He doesn't want to move his family to a low tax state. Neither would I,

Meanwhile, everyone is moving out of NY. Maybe you should preach that shit to your neighbors before they pack up the moving truck.

[StCapps]

You guys really are retarded. Shitting on Milton Friedman and pretending the laffer curve isn't a thing. Absolute morons.

Attracting more wealth to your state via low taxes and thus having a larger pool of wealth to tax from, working better than high taxes with wealth fleeing your state, is just fucking plain as day. That is how build an economy, economic growth leads to more revenue than raising taxes, especially in the long run.