Bought my first house

[Smitty-48]

our side now is like the Soviets under Khrushchev

going into Cuba for Fidel Castro

that was all about being Woke, Fidel Castro was woke, Moscow was determined to save him

they came very close to annihilation for that

Curtis LeMay had 800 B-52's at failsafe just outside Russian airspace, and the Russians had nothing to stop him

[Smitty-48]

you can invoke MAD as if this is 1962

but this is not 1962

that America is gone

America in the now, is not a rational actor

America now, is behaving like the Bolsheviks

if lunatics had been running things in Washington in 1962, we'd all be living in the stone age now

[Smitty-48]

it's like Dan Carlin invoking the Nuclear Football

well who has their finger on the button now ?

literal lunatics right out of Orwell's 1984

we are not a rational actor anymore, you can't rely on MAD as if this is John Kennedy steering the ship

[Xenophon]

it's like Dan Carlin invoking the Nuclear Football

well who has their finger on the button now ?

literal lunatics right out of Orwell's 1984

we are not a rational actor anymore, you can't rely on MAD as if this is John Kennedy steering the ship

MAD has always been pie-in-the-sky optimism, anyway. It's mostly propaganda. Same with the concept of Nuclear Winter. There's no real data to support it based on how Nuclear weapons behave.

[Smitty-48]

it's like Dan Carlin invoking the Nuclear Football

well who has their finger on the button now ?

literal lunatics right out of Orwell's 1984

we are not a rational actor anymore, you can't rely on MAD as if this is John Kennedy steering the ship

MAD has always been pie-in-the-sky optimism, anyway. It's mostly propaganda. Same with the concept of Nuclear Winter. There's no real data to support it based on how Nuclear weapons behave.

if there had been an interpolar exchange in 1983 with 25,000 warheads including mutlimegaton City Killers ?

that would have been Nuclear Winter

the thesis of Nuclear Winter was based on the situation at the time

the mistake with MAD is that people invoke it as assurance, as if deterrence was assurance, which it's not

[Martin Hash]

it's like Dan Carlin invoking the Nuclear Football

well who has their finger on the button now ?

literal lunatics right out of Orwell's 1984

we are not a rational actor anymore, you can't rely on MAD as if this is John Kennedy steering the ship

This is nice.

[Martin Hash]

We spent decades fighting communism only to become a worse, gayer version of it.

The Russian Federation defined marriage as between a man and a woman in their constitutional referendum last year, as well as making reference to God in their constitution. Our Constitution doesn't contain a single reference to God. The Southern Constitution did, I'll add.

If it came to an engagement between the US and the Russians, the Russians would have a willing fifth column in the form of right-wing Christians. I wonder how much of those constitutional amendments are aimed at international support of Christian enclaves.

from the Russian point of view, it's not just the West

we are subordinating ourselves to their actual mortal enemies, the Chinese Communists in Beijing

now, if you were the Russians, with the Woke coming at you from one direction, and Xi Jingping coming from the other

and you did not have a massive conventional force to match them

pretty sure you'd be ready to warm up your nukes

not saying you would launch an all out strike over the pole

but theater thermonuclear deescalation to force the communists to BTFO, that would definitely be on the table

This is very convincing.

[Smitty-48]

We spent decades fighting communism only to become a worse, gayer version of it.

The Russian Federation defined marriage as between a man and a woman in their constitutional referendum last year, as well as making reference to God in their constitution. Our Constitution doesn't contain a single reference to God. The Southern Constitution did, I'll add.

If it came to an engagement between the US and the Russians, the Russians would have a willing fifth column in the form of right-wing Christians. I wonder how much of those constitutional amendments are aimed at international support of Christian enclaves.

from the Russian point of view, it's not just the West

we are subordinating ourselves to their actual mortal enemies, the Chinese Communists in Beijing

now, if you were the Russians, with the Woke coming at you from one direction, and Xi Jingping coming from the other

and you did not have a massive conventional force to match them

pretty sure you'd be ready to warm up your nukes

not saying you would launch an all out strike over the pole

but theater thermonuclear deescalation to force the communists to BTFO, that would definitely be on the table

This is very convincing.

again, deterrence is not assurance

America should have been deterred from going into Vietnam, but she went anyways

deterrence works, up to a certain threshold

but when you are backs against the wall in the face of subjugation by godless communist totalitarians, you're gonna warm up your nukes

[Smitty-48]

it's like I am frightened of the lunatics who have seized control of the West

I can imagine what my Russian counterpart is feeling

if I was him, I would be ready to get it on

don't have to launch interpolar to give the enemy pause

nuclear deterrence is not a monolith

Nuclear Deescalation is a nuclear deterrent strategy as well

use tactical nuclear weapons in theater to stop the enemy at the gates, before they force me into an all out war of annihilation

[DBTrek]

Jeez people, what are you getting lulled into here?


Johnny Cochran sophistry has a nice meter to it but its foundation is still bullshit. No one said deterrence is assurance - but it is most assuredly STILL deterrence. Strong deterrence at that, when we're talking about a possible end to the species. Likewise China and Biden aren't coming at the Russian borders. Nor are nukes are being warmed up. Step back from the punch bowl folks.