Socialism

[SuburbanFarmer]

So... Sanders and Cortezio are not real socialists?

If you ever paid attention to anything, you'd know that both of them have admitted that their goal is to transition to socialism after they've got their foot in the door.

They start with the lie that they just want more taxes and more welfare.

Cortezio has alluded to more in fact: "...Flip this seat red." you tell me how else that's supposed to be interpreted.

She’s a millennial bartender. It was a verbal slip. Making her out to be a devoted Communist is a bit absurd.

[Fife]

If it is involuntary, as in income tax, it is stealing. Consumption taxes leave a choice and therefore consent

What choice? Grow your own food? SCOTUS said nay, nay, way back in Wickard v. Filburn.

You can always choose to go hungry, I guess.

Consent means Voluntary. I don't voluntarily agree to pay sales tax, do you? I just get the choice of pay up or don't make the trade.

[Zlaxer]

If you ever paid attention to anything, you'd know that both of them have admitted that their goal is to transition to socialism after they've got their foot in the door.

They start with the lie that they just want more taxes and more welfare.

Cortezio has alluded to more in fact: "...Flip this seat red." you tell me how else that's supposed to be interpreted.

She’s a millennial bartender. It was a verbal slip. Making her out to be a devoted Communist is a bit absurd.

S'plain yourself.

[Ex-California]

If it is involuntary, as in income tax, it is stealing. Consumption taxes leave a choice and therefore consent

What choice? Grow your own food? SCOTUS said nay, nay, way back in Wickard v. Filburn.

You can always choose to go hungry, I guess.

Consent means Voluntary. I don't voluntarily agree to pay sales tax, do you? I just get the choice of pay up or don't make the trade.

You don't have to buy anything

Sure that's technicality, but it resolves my belief that taxes need to have consent

[Zlaxer]

If it is involuntary, as in income tax, it is stealing. Consumption taxes leave a choice and therefore consent

What choice? Grow your own food? SCOTUS said nay, nay, way back in Wickard v. Filburn.

You can always choose to go hungry, I guess.

Consent means Voluntary. I don't voluntarily agree to pay sales tax, do you? I just get the choice of pay up or don't make the trade.

You could start a revolt...

[Zlaxer]

If you want to argue that the Government oppressively taxes...then I agree...but it's all legal...the King can levy taxes.

[Okeefenokee]

So... Sanders and Cortezio are not real socialists?

If you ever paid attention to anything, you'd know that both of them have admitted that their goal is to transition to socialism after they've got their foot in the door.

They start with the lie that they just want more taxes and more welfare.

Cortezio has alluded to more in fact: "...Flip this seat red." you tell me how else that's supposed to be interpreted.

You interpret it in the easiest way, she's dumb and she mispoke.

You don't need to go tinfoil hat about it. She's admitted who she is and what she wants. So has bernie.

[Zlaxer]

Consent means Voluntary. I don't voluntarily agree to pay sales tax, do you? I just get the choice of pay up or don't make the trade.

Just tell Uncle Sam "No" means "No"!

[Fife]

If it is involuntary, as in income tax, it is stealing. Consumption taxes leave a choice and therefore consent

What choice? Grow your own food? SCOTUS said nay, nay, way back in Wickard v. Filburn.

You can always choose to go hungry, I guess.

Consent means Voluntary. I don't voluntarily agree to pay sales tax, do you? I just get the choice of pay up or don't make the trade.

You don't have to buy anything

Sure that's technicality, but it resolves my belief that taxes need to have consent

You don't have to work at a job that withholds taxes, either.

Consider what "voluntary" really means. Is there anything so horrible about allowing people to act in a voluntary manner? And how would that lead to outcomes any worse than we get with the compulsory lives we trudge through now?

[Fife]

Consent means Voluntary. I don't voluntarily agree to pay sales tax, do you? I just get the choice of pay up or don't make the trade.

Just tell Uncle Sam "No" means "No"!

I don't know for sure about Shithole Yankeedom; but down here there are plenty of people who go to great lengths to make their livings on a cash-only basis, if you know what I mean.

John Galt is warming up in the bullpen. What cannot last, won't.