The Causes of American Gun Violence

[clubgop]

Captain Word Salad Types Again. Great stuff.

Thanks to the inspiration from Admiral Dirty dick of the SS I cant believe it's not Russia. It couldn't be done without you.

[Otern]

I would add social mobility. Look at the Great Gatsby curve. It shows the relationship between inequality and intergenerational social immobility.

Yup, also important.

However, there's a country that doesn't fit my theory when it comes to murder rates. Indonesia.

High wealth disparity, low GDP per capita, ethnically diverse, and a religious minority(protestants) above 5%. Yet they still have a pretty low murder rate of 0,5. While other countries of similar composition are pretty much all above double digits murder rate. Pretty much the only difference is alcohol and drug consumption, and race(if it's even legal to talk about race anymore). Indonesians don't really drink a lot. And they're south east asians. Most east asian countries have a pretty low murder rate compared to the rest of the world. The Phillippines being the exception, but then again, drugs.

Maybe genetics can explain some of the outliers when it comes to high and low murder rates. Maybe South America is in fact influenced by being the offspring of Conquistadors and Aztecs, since the best killers of those cultures passed on their genes the most. And maybe the same is true for the descendants of the extremely violent and rapey Bantu expansion.

[Hastur]

I would add social mobility. Look at the Great Gatsby curve. It shows the relationship between inequality and intergenerational social immobility.

Yup, also important.

However, there's a country that doesn't fit my theory when it comes to murder rates. Indonesia.

High wealth disparity, low GDP per capita, ethnically diverse, and a religious minority(protestants) above 5%. Yet they still have a pretty low murder rate of 0,5. While other countries of similar composition are pretty much all above double digits murder rate. Pretty much the only difference is alcohol and drug consumption, and race(if it's even legal to talk about race anymore). Indonesians don't really drink a lot. And they're south east asians. Most east asian countries have a pretty low murder rate compared to the rest of the world. The Phillippines being the exception, but then again, drugs.

Maybe genetics can explain some of the outliers when it comes to high and low murder rates. Maybe South America is in fact influenced by being the offspring of Conquistadors and Aztecs, since the best killers of those cultures passed on their genes the most. And maybe the same is true for the descendants of the extremely violent and rapey Bantu expansion.

We might have to factor in urbanization as well. In Brazil f.ex. 85.5 % of the population is urban vs 56.0 % for Indonesia.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-pop ... opulation/
https://www.worldometers.info/world-pop ... opulation/

I also think culture trumps genetics since we can see violent cultures in history being pacified without significant replacement. In peacetime, the more socialized people will thrive. They have a pretty peaceful history as well with the big exception being the Bloodbath in 1965-66. WWII mostly affected westerners and Japanese. My guess is that they have some function that mitigates the usual cycle were peace -> population growth -> scarcity -> social instability. Usually, that would be abundance land to expand into and a tradition to leave home and seek employment far away. Indonesia has both.

[Speaker to Animals]

I think it possible you confound variables. It could just as easily be said that circumstances trump genetics. A now passive society could have genetic predisposition to it, but, when circumstances were very harsh, violence was rampant.

I would also point out there exist a lot of myths regarding certain nonwhite cultures and peoples with respect to their peaceful virtues. Buddhists like to commit genocide and Tibetans are not really all that peaceful, for example.

[Otern]

We might have to factor in urbanization as well. In Brazil f.ex. 85.5 % of the population is urban vs 56.0 % for Indonesia.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-pop ... opulation/
https://www.worldometers.info/world-pop ... opulation/

I also think culture trumps genetics since we can see violent cultures in history being pacified without significant replacement. In peacetime, the more socialized people will thrive. They have a pretty peaceful history as well with the big exception being the Bloodbath in 1965-66. WWII mostly affected westerners and Japanese. My guess is that they have some function that mitigates the usual cycle were peace -> population growth -> scarcity -> social instability. Usually, that would be abundance land to expand into and a tradition to leave home and seek employment far away. Indonesia has both.

Urbanization probably has some influence too yeah.

I have some doubts on some eastern asian murder statistics though. Japan for example has an almost perfect rate of convicting murderers, which makes me believe some murders aren't classified as murders unless they can manage to get a conviction. Probably some "suicides" there that aren't really suicides.

And then we have culture, but it's really impossible to measure or quantify in any way, so it's really impossible to draw any statistical conclusions from it.