The Causes of American Gun Violence

[Otern]

And this is pretty much the whole sad story of why the western left today are shooting themselves in the foot by pushing for gun control and "multicultural society", while ignoring what made them useful and popular, which was giving the lower classes a realistic chance at a decent life and opportunities.

The old left was great, as they're working on decreasing the wealth disparity, which is the best thing we could do to reduce murder rates and criminal behavior. But they're barely focusing on this now, while getting sidetracked by lots of shitty campaigns addressing symptoms, but not causes.

The right sees decreasing wealth disparity as socialism, so they're opposed to it. And I kind of get that. What made the West great was the balance between the two. The right often being somewhat pragmatic and realistic, meaning the left couldn't wreck the GDP in their pursuit of economic equality. But the right are also to blame for the shifting demographics. They want immigrants because of the cheap labor, and replacing the work force, since the natives simply don't get enough kids to keep up with the insane eternal growth economy idea.

Wealth disparity has turned from being the main focus on the left, to being a matter of lesser importance. Less restricted immigration will also just increase wealth disparity, making it just another political talking point.

I think this is pretty tragic, but logical, as the left in many countries did manage to achieve a decent level of wealth disparity. But instead of reaching an acceptable level, and working on keeping it that way, they either forgot about the whole concept, or continued their crusade to "absolute equality", which is a bad idea. When the GINI coefficient is at about 20%-30%, it's great for society, but bad for the traditional left, as they basically need the whole "class struggle" to truly thrive. So they import other poor people, so they'll not run out of voters.

[clubgop]

Never said they were unregulated. But they aren’t paying the property tax or maintenance that you do for your retarded T-shirt store.

They just call it something else. Can you show me on the doll where the tshirt store touched you?

My backyard, where I can’t have chickens pecking out the pests and weeds.

My wallet, where I have to pay for genetic experiments to feed my family.

Sound like a shooters manifesto where we conflate chicken raising to the politics of a small business. Just because you see a connection doesn't mean there is one. Imagine holding up the t shirt man asking him why you cant have chickens. Unless you feed your family with homegrown t shirts I dont see the connection. A word of advice on that, cut the tags off before you boil them.

[PartyOf5]

Thanks for the thoughtful posts Otern.

Sadly, our politicians will never see this as a multi-faceted problem. They want quick talking points and slogans to use for re-election or to gain power. Our government is mostly broken, and what is supposed to be our check on it (media) is even more broken.

[Hastur]

I would add social mobility. Look at the Great Gatsby curve. It shows the relationship between inequality and intergenerational social immobility.

[Speaker to Animals]

Winner-takes-all effects multiply exponentially immediately preceding a socio-economic collapse It's just not sustainable.

A stable civilization limits that sort of thing. It is not just an artifact of capitalism. The Roman slave economy buckled under similar effects, but by different mechanisms, leading to the instability that caused the civil wars.

If you really consider it, the limitation of WTA effects represents the fundamental challenge of all complex societies, starting with the distribution of fertile women, but extending really to everything we do.

Some of these mass shootings are the result of men who felt deeply violated by society and betrayed on this very basis.

[SuburbanFarmer]

They just call it something else. Can you show me on the doll where the tshirt store touched you?

My backyard, where I can’t have chickens pecking out the pests and weeds.

My wallet, where I have to pay for genetic experiments to feed my family.

Sound like a shooters manifesto where we conflate chicken raising to the politics of a small business. Just because you see a connection doesn't mean there is one. Imagine holding up the t shirt man asking him why you cant have chickens. Unless you feed your family with homegrown t shirts I dont see the connection. A word of advice on that, cut the tags off before you boil them.

Or perhaps a cause of American gun violence?

[BjornP]

And this is pretty much the whole sad story of why the western left today are shooting themselves in the foot by pushing for gun control and "multicultural society", while ignoring what made them useful and popular, which was giving the lower classes a realistic chance at a decent life and opportunities.

The old left was great, as they're working on decreasing the wealth disparity, which is the best thing we could do to reduce murder rates and criminal behavior. But they're barely focusing on this now, while getting sidetracked by lots of shitty campaigns addressing symptoms, but not causes.

The right sees decreasing wealth disparity as socialism, so they're opposed to it. And I kind of get that. What made the West great was the balance between the two. The right often being somewhat pragmatic and realistic, meaning the left couldn't wreck the GDP in their pursuit of economic equality. But the right are also to blame for the shifting demographics. They want immigrants because of the cheap labor, and replacing the work force, since the natives simply don't get enough kids to keep up with the insane eternal growth economy idea.

Wealth disparity has turned from being the main focus on the left, to being a matter of lesser importance. Less restricted immigration will also just increase wealth disparity, making it just another political talking point.

I think this is pretty tragic, but logical, as the left in many countries did manage to achieve a decent level of wealth disparity. But instead of reaching an acceptable level, and working on keeping it that way, they either forgot about the whole concept, or continued their crusade to "absolute equality", which is a bad idea. When the GINI coefficient is at about 20%-30%, it's great for society, but bad for the traditional left, as they basically need the whole "class struggle" to truly thrive. So they import other poor people, so they'll not run out of voters.

Spot on.

[BjornP]

I would add social mobility. Look at the Great Gatsby curve. It shows the relationship between inequality and intergenerational social immobility.

I'm not nearly as surprised as I thought I would be at seeing China as the number 2 least socially mobile country. That South African/American YouTuber duo, ADVChina pretty much paint the same picture about the Chinese upper class.

[clubgop]

My backyard, where I can’t have chickens pecking out the pests and weeds.

My wallet, where I have to pay for genetic experiments to feed my family.

Sound like a shooters manifesto where we conflate chicken raising to the politics of a small business. Just because you see a connection doesn't mean there is one. Imagine holding up the t shirt man asking him why you cant have chickens. Unless you feed your family with homegrown t shirts I dont see the connection. A word of advice on that, cut the tags off before you boil them.

Or perhaps a cause of American gun violence?

tshirt-chicken-gun connection is a weak movie title. Some Ohio state cop handling you roughly pressing you up against the concrete wall asking "you ever pick your feet in Put-in-Bay?"

Oh that's it, how do did we not see it?They raise chickens in Russia.
Ohio voted for Trump.
We all know Trump/Russia are like 1 and stuff.
Ohio has a place named Put-in-Bay, Putins Bay.
You cant raise chickens or sell tshirts and it leads to gun violence ALL BECAUSE OF RUSSIA.
Why wasnt this in Mueller report?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Captain Word Salad Types Again. Great stuff.