Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[nmoore63]

Government acts you do not like are irrelevant rebuttals of anything but whatever those examples refer to. In this case, we are talking about printing a number on products. That's it. Not telling people how much soda they can consume or defining what is skim milk, etc.

im sure defining carbon foot print of a product is easier than whether or not it’s skim milk.






Truly you are entertaining,

[Speaker to Animals]

Government acts you do not like are irrelevant rebuttals of anything but whatever those examples refer to. In this case, we are talking about printing a number on products. That's it. Not telling people how much soda they can consume or defining what is skim milk, etc.

im sure defining carbon foot print of a product is easier than whether or not it’s skim milk.






Truly you are entertaining,

Apparently you cannot understand these are two completely different things.

Let's not have any government at all because they won't let your buddy sell his skim milk. Makes sense. LOL

[DBTrek]

Internet crank: "The government should mandate our food be labeled with arbitrary carbon footprint numbers"

Reasonable people: "Nah, not really. If you think about it for a second you'll quickly realize just how variable that number could be. They can't accurately rate something like that. It's not like nutritional information which you calculate once from a small set of inputs. Carbon footprint has hundreds of variable inputs that change over time. This would just be a waste of money - paying for numbers that we know are not accurate"

Internet crank: ""Mammon worshipers HATE consumers having information!!!!!"

... because fake numbers are "information".

Another way you can tell his argument has no real legs, the whole "It doesn't harm anything to have carbon footprint info on food". While those products given a higher fake footprint number than others might disagree, it is true that the information itself imparts no direct harm on the reader. Yet what kind of standard is "doesn't harm people" when it comes to labeling? Pretty much everything ever written does not directly harm the reader. Is that really the threshold we want for food labeling? Everything that doesn't directly harm a reader?

Yeeeesh.

[PartyOf5]

Government acts you do not like are irrelevant rebuttals of anything but whatever those examples refer to. In this case, we are talking about printing a number on products. That's it. Not telling people how much soda they can consume or defining what is skim milk, etc.

Once they have their carbon footprint number the shaming will begin. They will be telling people what to eat, just like they are currently telling people what to think and what to say.

[Speaker to Animals]

LOL!

Straw man is literally all you have. It's the last sanctuary for the guy who doesn't want people to have accurate information about products they purchase. It's really amusing. Really.

Tell us how the number printed on the back of your shitty beer is going to hurt you.

[DBTrek]

"Tell us how the number printed on the back of your shitty beer is going to hurt you"

Once again that high, high standard of "the fake information doesn't hurt you".
War & Peace doesn't hurt you either, but that doesn't qualify it to be printed on a box of Cheerios.

[C-Mag]

This is why I support authoritarian measures on this, I just don't think we will do anything otherwise.
Of course, it gets interpreted as just another socialist, wealth distribution scheme by those who think taxation is theft and all government is bad.
/shrug

Should we consider humanely dispatching the mentally retarded, the elderly with dementia?
They are really just sucking up resources and causing harm to the planet with no return.

Is this the bit where I rant about the other side having nothing except shouting ''Nazi''

Look at this thread now Monte...…………….. see the destruction you and your polluting urbanite scum and villany has produced

[Montegriffo]

Should we consider humanely dispatching the mentally retarded, the elderly with dementia?
They are really just sucking up resources and causing harm to the planet with no return.

Is this the bit where I rant about the other side having nothing except shouting ''Nazi''

Look at this thread now Monte...…………….. see the destruction you and your polluting urbanite scum and villany has produced

Goddamn it, how many times do I have to tell you people I live on a small farm in rural Suffolk before you stop calling me an urbanite?
When was the last time you threshed wheat to make thatching straw?

[Speaker to Animals]

"Tell us how the number printed on the back of your shitty beer is going to hurt you"

Once again that high, high standard of "the fake information doesn't hurt you".
War & Peace doesn't hurt you either, but that doesn't qualify it to be printed on a box of Cheerios.

Yeah. That's what I thought. No-Argument-Having DB can only insult people and derail every last thread in this forum into his flame wars. LOL

What a clown. If he spent half as much time reading a book on argumentation and how to avoid fallacies he'd probably boost his quality by at least 100%.

[Speaker to Animals]

The unstated truth here is that the people who oppose printing a carbon footprint on the labels of products only oppose it because they oppose the globalist/leftist climate change agenda. They don't want people to know the pollution those people's consumption creates because they fear it will only validate the climate change ideology they oppose.

Which is weak. If you have to suppress data to combat an opposing ideology, then you really just need to stop. Because if the side you represent is the correct side, you only harm the cause with this stupid shit.

I happen to think the climate change narrative is grossly overstated and that nobody has proven that humans make that big of a difference on the climate.

However.. altering the chemistry of our planet's atmosphere does not exactly rank anywhere on the list of smart ideas.. Giving people the information about their consumption so that -- IF THEY CHOOSE -- they can alter their consumption patterns does not hurt any of you. A number printed on a package is not going to harm you. For fuck sake.