China, A Communist Nation

[Smitty-48]

There is no free market in China, don't mistake corruption and chaos for freedom, and don't mistake the Chinese Communist Party's regime of state run totalitarian centrally planned "incorporation" for capitalism, there's nothing capitalist about it, they pick the winners and losers, by Communist Party decree, same as they ever have. Jack Ma is a Chinese Bill Gates? Ah, no, get real.

The Chinese engage in state run property theft, against their own poeple, and everybody else as well, then they pick party apparatchiks like Jack Ma to be the Commisars to run their doppleganger industries, they're not even as capitalist as the Soviets, the Soviets at least had innovation and internal competition, the Chinese do everything by state run theft and associated reverse engineering, it's all just directed from behind the curtain.

And bear in mind, wherever they were in the 90's, they are seriously retrenching back towards Communism now, this is what Xi Jinping is all about.

Does he want trade? Sure. Does that mean capitalism? No. Can we sell these Communists our commodities? Yes, of course, so long as they pay in US dollars, we sold commodities to the Soviets too, and they paid in US dollars too, but that didn't make them free market capitalists anymore than the Chinese Communists are.

[ssu]

Postmodern communists, and Communists as well, still aspire to an utopian state run centrally planned classless society devoid of private property, they've just had to switch to coaching it all in spurrious eupemism, lest they raise the alarm against them.

Likely the objective for the Chinese Communist Party is simply to stay in power. So they will choose any ideology that can be whimsically said to be Communist, if it helps them.

There are factions in the Chinese Communist Party, it's true, Deng Xiaoping was on the moderate end of the spectrum, but Xi Jinping is a classical Maoist, Mao himself was willing to make deals of convenience with the West in order to prop up the Revolution, although, no doubt you'll be telling us that Mao was not a Communist next, right, fuckstick?

Xi Jinping a classical Maoist? How so? I think they are quite on the "moderate end", if you put Xiaoping in the "moderate end".

Show me a classical Maoist. Who, Mao's wife and the gang of four? Hua Goufeng would be the classical Maoist, but he lost to Xiaoping.

The closest would Jiang Zemin to some traditionalist line, but he is out of the picture.

[Smitty-48]

Xi Jinping is aspirationally Maoist, can he gain that sort of control at this point? No, not even Mao could at this point, none the less, Xi is as Maoist as anyone can be at this point in China, full on cult of the personality, full on crackdown against dissent, mass campaigns, he's even resurrecting the Red propaganda straight out of the cultural revolution, can be the Great Helmsman to the extent that Mao could?

No, but he's going as far as he can with that, which Deng Xiaoping did not, Deng was going in the opposite direction, Tianamen Square notwithstanding, they were pushing their luck at Tianamen Square, even Commisar Smitty would have cracked down on that shit.

[ssu]

they're not even as capitalist as the Soviets, the Soviets at least had innovation and internal competition, the Chinese do everything by state run theft and associated reverse engineering, it's all just directed from behind the curtain.

Not even as capitalist as the Soviets! That's a hilarious line.

And yeah, the Soviets didn't have industrial espionage.

[Smitty-48]

they're not even as capitalist as the Soviets, the Soviets at least had innovation and internal competition, the Chinese do everything by state run theft and associated reverse engineering, it's all just directed from behind the curtain.

Not even as capitalist as the Soviets! That's a hilarious line.

And yeah, the Soviets didn't have industrial espionage.

Sure, they needed espionage to close the gap in certain specific areas, but much of what they designed was actually revolutionary, some of it with no equal in the West at all, the Chinese can't do that, they don't design anything themselves, it's all reverse engineered, which is why they are still so reliant on Soviet designed now Russian built kit, because the Chicom reverse engineered stuff is crap.

[TheReal_ND]

Russians stole their space program from Germans.

[ssu]

Xi Jinping is aspirationally Maoist, can he gain that sort of control at this point? No, not even Mao could at this point, none the less, Xi is as Maoist as anyone can be at this point in China, full on cult of the personality, full on crackdown against dissent, mass campaigns, he's even resurrecting the Red propaganda straight out of the cultural revolution, can be the Great Helmsman to the extent that Mao could?

No, but he's going as far as he can with that, which Deng Xiaoping did not, Deng was going in the opposite direction, Tianamen Square notwithsatnding, they were pushing their luck at Tianamen Square, even Commisar Smitty would have cracked down on that shit.

That Xi wants to centralize power and promotes himself is nothing new. That doesn't make him a Maoist. Again your using the terms pretty loosely. Once you have power, you want to hold that I guess. And the crackdown started with Zeming, with the basically invented enemy of Falun Gong, for example. As well, there not much opposition to crack down on than some Muslims in the far West.

[Smitty-48]

Xi Jinping is aspirationally Maoist, can he gain that sort of control at this point? No, not even Mao could at this point, none the less, Xi is as Maoist as anyone can be at this point in China, full on cult of the personality, full on crackdown against dissent, mass campaigns, he's even resurrecting the Red propaganda straight out of the cultural revolution, can be the Great Helmsman to the extent that Mao could?

No, but he's going as far as he can with that, which Deng Xiaoping did not, Deng was going in the opposite direction, Tianamen Square notwithsatnding, they were pushing their luck at Tianamen Square, even Commisar Smitty would have cracked down on that shit.

That Xi wants to centralize power and promotes himself is nothing new. That doesn't make him a Maoist. Again your using the terms pretty loosely. Once you have power, you want to hold that I guess. And the crackdown started with Zeming, with the basically invented enemy of Falun Gong, for example. As well, there not much opposition to crack down on than some Muslims in the far West.

Makes him a Maoist in my book, Finnish word police can fuck their mothers.

[ssu]

Russians stole their space program from Germans.

So did the Americans, btw. And Korolev did quite an amazing job.

[ssu]

Makes him a Maoist in my book, Finnish word police can fuck their mothers.

You just embrace your Stalinist leader Trudeau, old fart.