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[TheReal_ND]

The Soviets basically beat the Nazis at their own game.

War of encirclement, at first the Germans were kicking ass, but then the Soviets copied them.

Then the Germans got their asses handed to them.

How did the Russians copy the Germans?

Encircle

[Smitty-48]

The Soviets basically beat the Nazis at their own game.

War of encirclement, at first the Germans were kicking ass, but then the Soviets copied them.

Then the Germans got their asses handed to them.

How did the Russians copy the Germans?

They switched from static infantry defensive war to mobile tank war of encirclement.

They just cranked out way more T-34's than the Germans could keep up with.

[Smitty-48]

Everything flipped in the North Caucasus, the Germans went back to infantry mode into Stalingrad, just as the Soviets flipped to tank war, and then encircled the encircling Germans.

[Smitty-48]

Stalingrad is like Vietnam.

You chase them into the urban jungle.

Then they have you encircled.

[Smitty-48]

Vietnam is like Stalingrad. Except for the weather. Snow is worse.

[StCapps]

Would have been better if they stuck to the strategy that got them to Stalingrad, unfortunately they didn't have the horses (or tanks in this case) to keep it going. The Germans gassed pretty hard by the time they got to Stalingrad, and without the knockout blow landing prior to them gassing to the point where they lacked the punching power to finish the fight, it was only a matter of time before the Soviets encircled them.

Was like the Soviet Union was Floyd Mayweather, and the Germans were Conor McGregor.

[Smitty-48]

Would have been hunky dory if they could have stopped at France.

Problem was, Stalin was poised to invade Western Europe.

The Germans beat France so fast, they were able to preempt the Soviet invasion.

If they had taken France and just rested on the laurels, Operation Bagration was coming anyways,

[Smitty-48]

Stalin was a bad man.

Hitler was right.

Koba was coming.

And he was going to liquidate everybody.

Stalin killed everybody, Stalin had no restraint.

[StCapps]

Would have been hunky dory if they could have stopped at France.

Problem was, Stalin was poised to invade Western Europe.

The Germans beat France so fast, they were able to preempt the Soviet invasion.

If they had taken France and just rested on the laurels, Operation Bagration was coming anyways,

If they had stopped at France, not allied with Italy or Japan, they would have faired better come Operation Bagration time, but would still have to favor the Soviets. If they could have flipped America and Britain to their side of the European war, that was really their only hope and without allying with Italy or Japan, that would have been a whole lot easier. Germany didn't really have any good options though.

[Smitty-48]

On the one hand you could say defensive war was the best option.

On the other hand everybody who tried to defend in WWII got beat.

The whole time the Soviets were on the defensive, they were losing.

Soon as the Soviets switched over to the offensive, they won the war in relatively short order.