Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[SuburbanFarmer]

Well the Romans arent around anymore so fuck them too

I seem to remember refugees, porous borders, and hordes of muslims being somehow involved in that.

:facepalm:

[Okeefenokee]

Well the Romans arent around anymore so fuck them too

I seem to remember refugees, porous borders, and hordes of muslims being somehow involved in that.

:facepalm:

true story

[SuburbanFarmer]

I seem to remember refugees, porous borders, and hordes of muslims being somehow involved in that.

:facepalm:

true story

Thinking to myself:

Self, you could bother looking up sources, and correct this clown yet again, on basic history, but he’s just going to call you names again, and ignore it. Is it worth it?

[Okeefenokee]

I can't wait.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I can't wait.

Constantinople = Rome.

Fall of Rome typically refers to Byzantium.

Makes sense, if you don’t think about it.

[Okeefenokee]

I guess this is the part where you tell us you don't let the man tell you what history is. That's pretty edgy. I dig it.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I guess this is the part where you tell us you don't let the man tell you what history is. That's pretty edgy. I dig it.

Somebody called bullshit on my reference to the Romans. Quick, deflect it to 1,000 years later, and 1,000 miles away to protect my narrative!

[Okeefenokee]

I bet you're just stupid enough to actually believe that.

[BjornP]

Fall of Western Roman empire: 476. Cause: Years of Germanic migrations and invasions, followed by Ostrogoth king retiring the last - in all but name only - (western) Roman emperor.

Fall Eastern Roman Empire: 1453. Cause: Ottoman Turkish conquest, following years of wars with Arab and Turkic Muslim rulers.

Note: ERE always considered itself as Roman and referred to themselves as such till the end. "Byzantine" is a much later historiographical designation, not what anyone actually called them at the time.

[C-Mag]

Fall of Western Roman empire: 476. Cause: Years of Germanic migrations and invasions, followed by Ostrogoth king retiring the last - in all but name only - (western) Roman emperor.

Fall Eastern Roman Empire: 1453. Cause: Ottoman Turkish conquest, following years of wars with Arab and Turkic Muslim rulers.

Note: ERE always considered itself as Roman and referred to themselves as such till the end. "Byzantine" is a much later historiographical designation, not what anyone actually called them at the time.

+1
All True.
I don't know what other learned, but every history class has referred to the Fall of Rome in 476, and noted the Eastern Empire moved on. A long, long time ago I listened to a podcast that did an entire series on the Fall of Rome. That guy, Dan something or another, referenced this as well as accepted history.

As far as nations that referred to themselves as 'Rome' It was not just the ERE, it was also the Holy Roman Empire in Germany from 800 to 1800; the Russians have there claims, as well as about a dozen other nations claim to be successors to the Roman Empire.