Social Justice Warriors Thread

[Speaker to Animals]

Computer science is still solid. Just work your way upstream in the process. Also consider working on classified projects. That shit doesn't get outsourced, and business is fucking booming.

Beyond that, get a masters degree at least in some particular field.

People need to stop thinking about software engineering like a bachelor's degree job. It's more like a lawyer or doctor job. Basic programming is a bachelor's degree job, and that shit is getting offshored.

[The Conservative]

True fact.

That's why Windows is such a clusterfuck now.

Now? ROLF! It's been a clusterfuck since Windows 95... there is a webcomic that is going on for almost 20 years now that makes fun of MS and the tech world...

Windows has been a cluserfuck since day one.

Nah, XP was pretty solid. 7 was excellent. 10 has been a startling drop in quality.

What bothers me most though is that half the time I can't even get an error code or a reason that something doesn't work. They plastered 'feel good' messaging all over it, and assume that everything is error-proof. It's infuriating as a non "business" user.

If you actually know what you're doing, you're essentially blocked off into the kiddie corner with the idiots. It's impossible to control your own security settings and file access, just to name one example.

And there is a way to override all of it, if you know how to...

As for XP being stable, if you call a three-legged horse in the Kentucky Derby a sure win, then yeah... ok.

[Speaker to Animals]

XP was really good for the time.

Still not unix or linux, but good.

[DBTrek]

Commodore Basic was pretty robust.

[Speaker to Animals]

For it's time, Commodore was the bomb.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Oh, they hired some janitors and customer service reps without Baccalaureate Degrees. That's a good thing, I guess. No more need for college!

Your virtue signalling is pure and true, but doesn't apply to me. It's quite possible to work your ass off, while still noting the corrupted nature of the system.

Mentioning that hard work pays off seems to arouse a lot of anger in you. Strange. Why is that?

And how is a system that rewards effort “corrupt” in nature?

Because it's a lie. The system does not reward 'hard work', or ditch-diggers would be millionaires. The system rewards 'commercial value', or more accurately, 'marketability'.

You can give yourself a better chance through hard work, but you will not necessarily be rewarded for it.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Now? ROLF! It's been a clusterfuck since Windows 95... there is a webcomic that is going on for almost 20 years now that makes fun of MS and the tech world...

Windows has been a cluserfuck since day one.

Nah, XP was pretty solid. 7 was excellent. 10 has been a startling drop in quality.

What bothers me most though is that half the time I can't even get an error code or a reason that something doesn't work. They plastered 'feel good' messaging all over it, and assume that everything is error-proof. It's infuriating as a non "business" user.

If you actually know what you're doing, you're essentially blocked off into the kiddie corner with the idiots. It's impossible to control your own security settings and file access, just to name one example.

And there is a way to override all of it, if you know how to...

As for XP being stable, if you call a three-legged horse in the Kentucky Derby a sure win, then yeah... ok.

There are ways to get around a lot of it, but every update brings another set of "feelz" messages, and option-blocking.

[DBTrek]

Mentioning that hard work pays off seems to arouse a lot of anger in you. Strange. Why is that?

And how is a system that rewards effort “corrupt” in nature?

Because it's a lie. The system does not reward 'hard work', or ditch-diggers would be millionaires. The system rewards 'commercial value', or more accurately, 'marketability'.

You can give yourself a better chance through hard work, but you will not necessarily be rewarded for it.

I think you’re conflating hard work with physically demanding labor. Digging a ditch is physically demanding, but that shit ain’t hard. You can teach a ten year old to do it.

Landing a probe on Mars is hard. It takes hard work to get it done. Not physically demanding work, but work most people can’t do on account of it’s difficulty.

Simple supply and demand. People able to perform truly hard work are in short supply, meaning wages go up when their numbers are outstripped by demand.

That’s a beautiful system which rewards hard work. It’s simple. Elegant. Not corrupt in the least.

[Ph64]

Not 'worthless' in the sense of having zero value. I meant that it's now just a required step in any career - like paying for the last 4 years of highschool. You're not getting a real job without one, so it has no intrinsic extra value.

More companies dropping college degree requirement for new hires
https://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-fi ... -new-hires
(More people getting in the door without degrees)

The many people I know advancing in their careers all pursue advanced and continuing education/training. Those I know who are going nowhere almost universally believe that effort doesn’t matter, there are only elite and poor, etc.

Seems to be a self fulfilling prophecy in my experience. People who try will eventually succeed. People who complain, blame, and deflect simply stagnate.
/shrug

It's about time, I've said for a long time degrees are pieces of paper in most instances in where it shows you can pass a test... I've known too many IT experts that have nearly all the alphabet soup under their belt but still can't do simple stuff...

I still remember asking a guy who had his degree, and over a dozen certifications, why he couldn't do a simple start network. He said that it wasn't taught in school...

Do I really need to say it, but overly educated people except in key fields, are not required. It is better to get someone off the street, train them and use them accordingly. (Pay is good too)

For one of my old jobs (90s) we interviewed two people for an open position, we used Novell networking at the time so that was a requirement. First guy had a degree and a resume full of certs (including Novell), we asked him how he'd setup permissions on 3 directories, one group has access to A&B, 2nd to B&C, 3rd to A&C... He was clueless. Next guy was ex-military (Army) with a HS diploma and 4 years of actual hands on experience - he nailed it after a couple minutes to think it through.

Back in 2000 at a small .com I was at they interviewed for a Unix admin (Solaris & Linux). They hired this guy who had several years as a Unix admin at a medical device company. First week on the job he's asked to change some passwords on a Solaris box... "Where's the GUI?" - he had no idea how to operate at a Unix command line. (We were laughing at that for days, called him "Waldo" behind his back - aka "Where's Waldo?"). The next week he had to reboot a critical machine (pipeline for all the online orders)... He noticed there was an extra tape drive on the box, a broken old DAT drive nobody had bothered to remove, so he removed it and did a "reboot -r"... Which reconfigured the hardware and made the good DLT drive /dev/rmt0 (the DAT was 0, the DLT was 1) and when backups kicked off that night... Well, let's just say there wasn't enough disk space for a huge file in /dev called "rmt1", filled the disk and took out order fulfillment for several hours. He was walked out the door the next day - didn't even make it two weeks.

My last job we had a team of guys in India the boss insisted we give work to. I had an install of this canned app that needed installing (new version), I had done it the first time - just un-tar a big directory tree (on 3 machines) and tweak two XML files for IP, database string & user/password, etc. FOUR HOURS LATER he disappears offline - I ask one of the other offshore guys if he'd finished it - "no idea, know nothing about it". No turnover to the next shift, he just walked out the door and went home. I tried starting the app one one machine, errors all over... I look at the XML file for the database info... (I'll use parens instead of angle brackets)

(username)CHANGEME(/username)

Became....

(DBuser)CHANGEME(/username)

...this was a graduate of India Tech.

Not knowing what he had done, and by then it was 3pm and the boss had promised the "customer" we'd have it for them by 5, I just nuked it all, un-tar'd it fresh, and did it right... In 45 minutes flat for all 3 machines.

He didn't last long. I told the boss we should just get a couple of U.S. high school graduates with some basic computer skills and train them, we'd be far better off for probably the same price. (Of course not, the company mandated we outsource to indithe). Honestly the job was typically made harder by the offshore crew (with maybe 3 exception over the decade I was there, a few really good ones).

My personal experience the degree doesn't matter, you either know what you're doing or you dont. At least 50% of the people I've interviewed over the years with a degree and certs... didn't.

[C-Mag]

I think you’re conflating hard work with physically demanding labor. Digging a ditch is physically demanding, but that shit ain’t hard. You can teach a ten year old to do it.

Landing a probe on Mars is hard. It takes hard work to get it done. Not physically demanding work, but work most people can’t do on account of it’s difficulty.

Simple supply and demand. People able to perform truly hard work are in short supply, meaning wages go up when their numbers are outstripped by demand.

That’s a beautiful system which rewards hard work. It’s simple. Elegant. Not corrupt in the least.

+1