Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon May 21, 2018 2:53 pm

That's actually an interesting idea.

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by Fife » Mon May 21, 2018 3:46 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 11:37 am
Fife wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 11:35 am
Divest the state of any claim to any real property outside of what is necessary for providing true public goods.

We don't need the government to do this:

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 11:30 am
Where I live, quite a lot of small farmers are popping up out of nowhere. Young people too. They just get together in small groups, lease the land, and then get to work on cash crops like sweet potatoes. There exists an alternative economy budding out there, fairly well separated from the corporate, AIDS-infested economy that dominates the cities.

We need the government to GTFO to do this.
The government owns the land, currently. They have to do something if we are going to let people develop it. Right now, it's just locked down by batshit environmentalists and squatters like the Bundy's.
The verb I used is "divest."

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon May 21, 2018 4:03 pm

Fife wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 3:46 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 11:37 am
Fife wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 11:35 am
Divest the state of any claim to any real property outside of what is necessary for providing true public goods.

We don't need the government to do this:





We need the government to GTFO to do this.
The government owns the land, currently. They have to do something if we are going to let people develop it. Right now, it's just locked down by batshit environmentalists and squatters like the Bundy's.
The verb I used is "divest."
It's not that simple. Who gets the land? How does it get parceled out? Who irrigates it and how?

It requires a comprehensive government effort.

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by DBTrek » Mon May 21, 2018 4:06 pm

It didn’t when we took it the first time.
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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon May 21, 2018 4:08 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 4:06 pm
It didn’t when we took it the first time.
:think:

What didn't? What is "it"?

Because, currently, NOTHING was done with that land. It's just a giant shit hole. I used to live smack in the middle of BLM. There's nothing there.

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by Fife » Mon May 21, 2018 4:10 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 4:03 pm
Fife wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 3:46 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 11:37 am


The government owns the land, currently. They have to do something if we are going to let people develop it. Right now, it's just locked down by batshit environmentalists and squatters like the Bundy's.
The verb I used is "divest."
It's not that simple. Who gets the land? How does it get parceled out? Who irrigates it and how?

It requires a comprehensive government effort.
I'd rather let Mr. Haney sell it all off at auction than have the GSA involved. That's just me, though.

Kidding aside, real property law is actually more intellectually interesting and challenging than many might imagine. It is interesting to think about how a total divestiture of the state's ill-gotten property would play out. My concerns about private entities misallocating resources are real, but amount to about 0.01 percent of my concern for the state stealing property at the expense of every normal human actor.

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by DBTrek » Mon May 21, 2018 4:20 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 4:08 pm
What didn't? What is "it"?

Because, currently, NOTHING was done with that land. It's just a giant shit hole. I used to live smack in the middle of BLM. There's nothing there.
Manifest destiny ... didn’t require much central planning.

Seems to me your homesteading idea would have a better chance of success if the government simply limited lots to a particular acreage and stepped back. Then, as problems affecting “the commons” or issues of external costs arose, they could step in and play their role without directing the organic growth of the settlers.

But centrally planning how the perfect little homesteads will be built and operate from scratch, start to finish, before the first hoe digs a furrow in the earth ... that’s a recipe for an expensive failure.
"Hey varmints, don't mess with a guy that's riding a buffalo"

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon May 21, 2018 4:31 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 4:20 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 4:08 pm
What didn't? What is "it"?

Because, currently, NOTHING was done with that land. It's just a giant shit hole. I used to live smack in the middle of BLM. There's nothing there.
Manifest destiny ... didn’t require much central planning.

Seems to me your homesteading idea would have a better chance of success if the government simply limited lots to a particular acreage and stepped back. Then, as problems affecting “the commons” or issues of external costs arose, they could step in and play their role without directing the organic growth of the settlers.

But centrally planning how the perfect little homesteads will be built and operate from scratch, start to finish, before the first hoe digs a furrow in the earth ... that’s a recipe for an expensive failure.
Didn't require central planning? Are you mad? What do you think the republican party was about??

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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by DBTrek » Mon May 21, 2018 4:44 pm

What the Seattle City Council learned just two weeks before the head tax vote

...Noble told the Council that the city doesn’t have room in the budget for long-term spending on homelessness. It would be wrong, he said, to think the boom is going to surprise the city with more tax money like it used to.

Underlining this point: As the need for money to curb homelessness increases, money from the boom declines.

What does that mean for the head tax — that $275-per-employee charge to big businesses? Well, the $47 million the tax is expected to raise annually could plug the shortfall. That would decrease how much head tax money would go to new spending on homelessness...

...To recap: The city of Seattle overspent its budget on homelessness before the City Council voted on the head tax. Unless something changes, most of the money raised by the head tax will cover previous spending commitments — not new spending.


http://kuow.org/post/what-seattle-city- ... d-tax-vote
... and now we learn that the employment paralyzing Head tax may not actually provide anything. It may just shore up some of the years of unaccountable over-spending Seattle has been doing up until now.

Shocking, right? Wish someone would’ve told this to the Ssembled socialist derp-sherpas chanting “we’ll be back for more” at the vote. Oh wait, we did tell them.

Just like I told them in this thread - but the kool-aid poison runs deep, and they can’t break their addiction to it.
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Re: Seattle Socialists Strangle Golden Goose

Post by Fife » Mon May 21, 2018 4:44 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 4:31 pm
DBTrek wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 4:20 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 4:08 pm
What didn't? What is "it"?

Because, currently, NOTHING was done with that land. It's just a giant shit hole. I used to live smack in the middle of BLM. There's nothing there.
Manifest destiny ... didn’t require much central planning.

Seems to me your homesteading idea would have a better chance of success if the government simply limited lots to a particular acreage and stepped back. Then, as problems affecting “the commons” or issues of external costs arose, they could step in and play their role without directing the organic growth of the settlers.

But centrally planning how the perfect little homesteads will be built and operate from scratch, start to finish, before the first hoe digs a furrow in the earth ... that’s a recipe for an expensive failure.
Didn't require central planning? Are you mad? What do you think the republican party was about??
Jacksonian hogwash.

Some of you all need to watch more Gunsmoke reruns.