Civil War Doomsday Clock

[Montegriffo]

You do not need centralized state control of lunch which is demonstrably less safe than parents packing lunches for their children anyway.

Go on then, demonstrate it.
Don't forget to allow for the numbers of school meals served safely every day due to sensible food regulations like keeping meat chilled.

You'll need to compare the rates of days off due to food poisoning between those who eat pack ups and those who eat school canteen food.

You'll also have to take swabs and record bacteria levels of both.

Also, if you can show me the temp control sheets filled out by parents and compare them to the schools.

Otherwise, demonstrably is just a word man...

See can't possibly be safer, it's not heavily regulated by the government. Like clockwork, always assumes regulation is the answer.

Just asking for evidence that unregulated food is demonstrably safer than school canteen food.
Otherwise, it's just a word man.

[StCapps]

Go on then, demonstrate it.
Don't forget to allow for the numbers of school meals served safely every day due to sensible food regulations like keeping meat chilled.

You'll need to compare the rates of days off due to food poisoning between those who eat pack ups and those who eat school canteen food.

You'll also have to take swabs and record bacteria levels of both.

Also, if you can show me the temp control sheets filled out by parents and compare them to the schools.

Otherwise, demonstrably is just a word man...

See can't possibly be safer, it's not heavily regulated by the government. Like clockwork, always assumes regulation is the answer.

Just asking for evidence that unregulated food is demonstrably safer than school canteen food.
Otherwise, it's just a word man.

How about you provide evidence it isn't as safe, or fuck off with your bullshit regulations. You are the one calling for government regulation, prove it's not a complete waste of time and money to do so.

[Montegriffo]

Then maybe you can tell us again why you won't fly commercial because civil aviation safety regulations and inspections aren't as good as what you were used to in the military.

The existence of some regulations that make sense doesn't mean all regulations make sense. The onus is on those pushing the regulations to prove they are necessary, and demanding all students lunches brought from home are regulated is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

It is well known that certain high-risk foods require temperature control to restrict the growth of pathogenic bacteria.
Do you think that is unnecessary?

[Montegriffo]

See can't possibly be safer, it's not heavily regulated by the government. Like clockwork, always assumes regulation is the answer.

Just asking for evidence that unregulated food is demonstrably safer than school canteen food.
Otherwise, it's just a word man.

How about you provide evidence it isn't as safe, or fuck off with your bullshit regulations. You are the one calling for government regulation, prove it's not a complete waste of time and money to do so.

I just gave you 3 sets of stats which would help demonstrate which was safer.

[StCapps]

Then maybe you can tell us again why you won't fly commercial because civil aviation safety regulations and inspections aren't as good as what you were used to in the military.

The existence of some regulations that make sense doesn't mean all regulations make sense. The onus is on those pushing the regulations to prove they are necessary, and demanding all students lunches brought from home are regulated is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

It is well known that certain high-risk foods require temperature control to restrict the growth of pathogenic bacteria.
Do you think that is unnecessary?

Most school lunches aren't high risk, don't need everyone's lunch inspected to make you feel the kids are safer. Regulating what the school serves the kids and what parents feed their kids is two entirely different things.

[StCapps]

Just asking for evidence that unregulated food is demonstrably safer than school canteen food.
Otherwise, it's just a word man.

How about you provide evidence it isn't as safe, or fuck off with your bullshit regulations. You are the one calling for government regulation, prove it's not a complete waste of time and money to do so.

I just gave you 3 sets of stats which would help demonstrate which was safer.

Yet you are demanding regulation despite not knowing whether those stats show it to be less safe or how much safer regulations would make it relative to the cost. You default to more government intervention in almost every circumstance, whether you have stats to back you up or not, despite the government being too involved in people's lives as it is.

People can show you all the stats in the world, but if it doesn't paint the picture of more government intervention needed, you ignore those stats and demand regulation anyway.

[Speaker to Animals]

You do not need centralized state control of lunch which is demonstrably less safe than parents packing lunches for their children anyway.

Go on then, demonstrate it.

I already did that, and in true lying fashion, you proceeded to cut it all out of the post to dishonestly quibble over an irrelevant word from an opening aside sentence.

You are dishonest and have no intention to argue anything in good faith. I have come to suspect this trait is not an effect of liberalism, but a necessary prerequisite for liberalism.

[StCapps]

If the answer isn't more regulation, Montegriffo ain't hearing it. His knee jerk solution to every problem is more government involvement is necessary, because he thinks a problem existing is a product of lack of government intervention, he thinks nanny can solve every problem through helicopter government.

[Montegriffo]

Which of these government guidelines is ''a complete waste of time and money?

In most cases, food is stored in lunch boxes for several hours, so the lunch box needs to stay cool. Food safety suggestions include:

Choose an insulated lunch box or one with a freezer pack, or include a wrapped frozen water bottle to keep the lunch box cool.
Follow hygienic food preparation methods. This is especially important when food will be stored in the lunch box for many hours before eating.
Prepare lunches the night before and store in the fridge or freezer.
Perishable foods such as dairy products, eggs and sliced meats should be kept cool and eaten within about four hours of preparation. Don’t pack these foods if just cooked. First cool in the refrigerator overnight.

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/hea ... h-box-tips

[StCapps]

Which of these government guidelines is ''a complete waste of time and money?

In most cases, food is stored in lunch boxes for several hours, so the lunch box needs to stay cool. Food safety suggestions include:

Choose an insulated lunch box or one with a freezer pack, or include a wrapped frozen water bottle to keep the lunch box cool.
Follow hygienic food preparation methods. This is especially important when food will be stored in the lunch box for many hours before eating.
Prepare lunches the night before and store in the fridge or freezer.
Perishable foods such as dairy products, eggs and sliced meats should be kept cool and eaten within about four hours of preparation. Don’t pack these foods if just cooked. First cool in the refrigerator overnight.

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/hea ... h-box-tips

All of them. School lunches need none of those regulations. Prove they are necessary, or fuck off. Leave it up to the parents, none of this government forces the parents to pack lunches the way the government likes or else. Parents practicing good food hygiene is a great idea, government regulations to force them to pack lunches a certain way is retarded.

More government intervention is not the answer to every problem you perceive, especially when it come to bringing a lunch box to school.