Europe, Boring Until it's Not

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Re: Europe, boring until it's not

Post by The Conservative » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:26 am

BjornP wrote:
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Montegriffo wrote:
Not SSU clearly as he doesn't need things explained to him in words of limited syllables.
Then you dont understand why they lost. The US was out manned, out gunned, and lout classed. The Us shouldn’t have won.

So to just say what you did shows your own ignorance.
I can name two good reasons why the American colonies won. They're called France and Spain...

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And they did what exactly? You are forgetting the war that the troops were fighting were not traditional fighting, it was gurilla warfare. Even when France and Spain came through they reinforced us how exactly? Remember?
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Re: Europe, boring until it's not

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:36 am

The Conservative wrote:
BjornP wrote:
The Conservative wrote:
Then you dont understand why they lost. The US was out manned, out gunned, and lout classed. The Us shouldn’t have won.

So to just say what you did shows your own ignorance.
I can name two good reasons why the American colonies won. They're called France and Spain...

:whistle:
And they did what exactly? You are forgetting the war that the troops were fighting were not traditional fighting, it was gurilla warfare. Even when France and Spain came through they reinforced us how exactly? Remember?
Their navy is the only reason that the colonists had a chance. Please read more.
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Re: Europe, boring until it's not

Post by The Conservative » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:18 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
The Conservative wrote:
BjornP wrote:
I can name two good reasons why the American colonies won. They're called France and Spain...

:whistle:
And they did what exactly? You are forgetting the war that the troops were fighting were not traditional fighting, it was gurilla warfare. Even when France and Spain came through they reinforced us how exactly? Remember?
Their navy is the only reason that the colonists had a chance. Please read more.
And? ISIS has countries supporting it... the point is that the last time England attempted to control something like ISIS they lost a country.
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Re: Europe, boring until it's not

Post by Montegriffo » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:22 pm

The Conservative wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
The Conservative wrote:
And they did what exactly? You are forgetting the war that the troops were fighting were not traditional fighting, it was gurilla warfare. Even when France and Spain came through they reinforced us how exactly? Remember?
Their navy is the only reason that the colonists had a chance. Please read more.
And? ISIS has countries supporting it... the point is that the last time England attempted to control something like ISIS they lost a country.
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Re: Europe, boring until it's not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:22 pm

France.. sure.

Spain?

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:28 pm

TC.. we were not really out-gunned. The British expeditionary force that was sent here were a bunch of amateurs compared to our militia. We actually greatly outclassed those guys, but we were much more limited in resources and numbers of troops for a time.

It's kind of a myth that we were the plucky inexperienced troops, sort of like it's a myth that Custer's 7th Cavalry was better armed and equipped than the natives who whacked them (the natives had better weapons, like repeating rifles, it was a slaughter). In the Revolution, the average militiaman from outside the Yankee cities was already battle-hardened and far better trained than the average British soldier, most of whom had not even seen combat before bumping into us.

Their advantage was their huge numbers, supply, and the complicity of a large segment of the colonial population.

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Post by Okeefenokee » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:56 pm

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Re: Europe, boring until it's not

Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:18 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:France.. sure.

Spain?
I think they were giving them grief on the continent or in the Caribbean iirc.

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Re: Europe, boring until it's not

Post by BjornP » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:18 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:France.. sure.

Spain?
Same sort of contribution as France. Financial support, munitions and supplies to the rebels, and fought Britain in the European and Carriberan theater for control of territory there, forcing the British to divide its forces to defend its various, lucrative colonial holdings.

Downside for them, though, would be the same that struck France a few years later: Republicanism, leading to the collapse of one state and the loss of territory to its own rebels in the other state.
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Re: Europe, boring until it's not

Post by BjornP » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:30 am

The Conservative wrote:
And? ISIS has countries supporting it... the point is that the last time England attempted to control something like ISIS they lost a country.
See reply to StA. Also, last time the British fought something like ISIS:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdist_War
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