DACA

[Zlaxer]

And as always it's the Democrats who stands on the barricades, defending slavery. There is no end to the collective hypocrisy.

It's not just the DNC this time.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

But they are not being punished. They are being removed from the nation in which they illegally reside and sent back home.

They are being taken from the awesome country in which they have lived their entire lives, by no choice of their own, and being moved to the shitty country that their parents committed a crime to escape from.

Seems like a punishment.

I suppose you could say that, having attained the age of reason, the truly virtuous among them would have voluntarily removed themselves... but that seems to expect an unrealistic level of saintliness.

Who cares if it seems like punishment.....why are you favoring them over inner city black? There's only so much $$$ to go around.....Why do they deserve to get a cut of it?


Post some stats showing illegals pay more in taxes then they use in government subsidies - then maybe I'll update my position.


You're essentially mandating that we take care of the poor of the world....why is that our job?

Well, leaving aside all of the statements that have nothing to do with this discussion, their only crime is the result of their parents choices. It isn't taking care of the worlds poor. It is recognizing that forced displacement of a person because of a crime someone else committed is questionable jurisprudence.

[Xenophon]

They are being taken from the awesome country in which they have lived their entire lives, by no choice of their own, and being moved to the shitty country that their parents committed a crime to escape from.

Seems like a punishment.

I suppose you could say that, having attained the age of reason, the truly virtuous among them would have voluntarily removed themselves... but that seems to expect an unrealistic level of saintliness.

Who cares if it seems like punishment.....why are you favoring them over inner city black? There's only so much $$$ to go around.....Why do they deserve to get a cut of it?


Post some stats showing illegals pay more in taxes then they use in government subsidies - then maybe I'll update my position.


You're essentially mandating that we take care of the poor of the world....why is that our job?

Well, leaving aside all of the statements that have nothing to do with this discussion, their only crime is the result of their parents choices. It isn't taking care of the worlds poor. It is recognizing that forced displacement of a person because of a crime someone else committed is questionable jurisprudence.

What you don't seem to understand is that there is no way to do anything for these kids and it save the nation some money. Money that could otherwise go to natural citizens.

[Speaker to Animals]

But they are not being punished. They are being removed from the nation in which they illegally reside and sent back home.

They are being taken from the awesome country in which they have lived their entire lives, by no choice of their own, and being moved to the shitty country that their parents committed a crime to escape from.

Seems like a punishment.

I suppose you could say that, having attained the age of reason, the truly virtuous among them would have voluntarily removed themselves... but that seems to expect an unrealistic level of saintliness.

They are not here legally. They are free to apply for citizenship once they arrive in their home countries, just like every other legal immigrant.

It's not that I don't feel for them, but damn, we can't create incentives for people to illegally bring their babies and young children here illegally like that.

[jediuser598]

Say an illegal immigrant came here fleeing the violence of their country. Whether it be South America, or the Middle East, or where ever. In sending them back (in this hypothetical) we know that, 100%, this illegal immigrant is going to die. What would you guys do then?

I'm not saying this is always the case with illegal immigration, but I'm wondering what you guys would do if this were the case.

[Hastur]

Say an illegal immigrant came here fleeing the violence of their country. Whether it be South America, or the Middle East, or where ever. In sending them back (in this hypothetical) we know that, 100%, this illegal immigrant is going to die. What would you guys do then?

I'm not saying this is always the case with illegal immigration, but I'm wondering what you guys would do if this were the case.

They should apply for asylum like any other refugee. That is well regulated. People from Mexico aren't refugees.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Who cares if it seems like punishment.....why are you favoring them over inner city black? There's only so much $$$ to go around.....Why do they deserve to get a cut of it?


Post some stats showing illegals pay more in taxes then they use in government subsidies - then maybe I'll update my position.


You're essentially mandating that we take care of the poor of the world....why is that our job?

Well, leaving aside all of the statements that have nothing to do with this discussion, their only crime is the result of their parents choices. It isn't taking care of the worlds poor. It is recognizing that forced displacement of a person because of a crime someone else committed is questionable jurisprudence.

What you don't seem to understand is that there is no way to do anything for these kids and it save the nation some money. Money that could otherwise go to natural citizens.

I understand the conflict perfectly well. The fact that, so far, we haven't come up with something better is a failure of imagination, so we have resolved that the expedient option is the only viable one because we lack the creativity to come up with anything else, despite its troubling implications regarding inherited guilt and collective punishment.

I would have thought such a vigorous anti-SJW crowd would be more receptive to an argument that rejects the notion of inherited guilt, no?

[Speaker to Animals]

What could possibly be better than following the law? I though you are a lawyer. Don't you have to swear to uphold the rule of law or something?

[Xenophon]

Well, leaving aside all of the statements that have nothing to do with this discussion, their only crime is the result of their parents choices. It isn't taking care of the worlds poor. It is recognizing that forced displacement of a person because of a crime someone else committed is questionable jurisprudence.

What you don't seem to understand is that there is no way to do anything for these kids and it save the nation some money. Money that could otherwise go to natural citizens.

I understand the conflict perfectly well. The fact that, so far, we haven't come up with something better is a failure of imagination, so we have resolved that the expedient option is the only viable one because we lack the creativity to come up with anything else, despite its troubling implications regarding inherited guilt and collective punishment.

I would have thought such a vigorous anti-SJW crowd would be more receptive to an argument that rejects the notion of inherited guilt, no?

It's not about guilt. The children of these illegal migrants only become guilty when they reach the age of majority.

So what you're saying is that because we view this scenario through a pragmatic lens, we just aren't imaginative enough? Hmm, let's think. What is a way we can keep these families here without having to make them citizens, AND prevent money that should be for American citizens going to illegal migrants.

I can think of one way, but there's an amendment against it.

[Speaker to Animals]

Say an illegal immigrant came here fleeing the violence of their country. Whether it be South America, or the Middle East, or where ever. In sending them back (in this hypothetical) we know that, 100%, this illegal immigrant is going to die. What would you guys do then?

I'm not saying this is always the case with illegal immigration, but I'm wondering what you guys would do if this were the case.

You are describing an asylum case. We grant to asylum to refugees who are legitimately in fear of their lives all the time.