Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[ssu]

A lot of people will never get over the Neo nazi, skinhead, white power background of the Sweden Democrats. Almost all of their leaders comes from that background or the small leftover remnants of the real nazi movement from the '30s kept alive by informal comrade groups of Swedish former SS or Wehrmacht veterans.

Likely so. (Just for comparison, the Finnish SS members aren't looked upon so negatively because the Finnish government officially sent them there, hence many (likely the majority) weren't ardent Nazi's, some were just ordered to go and didn't even volunteer.)

When they open their mouth most of them sound like a half drunk football hooligan. UKIP wanted nothing to do with them. The UK equivalent of the SD is The National Front, not UKIP. Watch those videos from the Rubin Report above. Aron Flam agrees with me on this.

The Swedish Democrats are not a solution to anything. They are nostalgic nationalistic socialists that uses racism and segregation as a lever. Does that remind you of anything?

So basically there is still open an opportunity for a Swedish Trump to save you from uh...yourselves. One Matts Trumpsson.

Hah. That would be funny. A Swedish Trump. Boy, would we have a great time following what is happening in Sweden...

[Hastur]

Even more appalling is the idiotic division of "yes" or "no" to some absurd question like the EU. If the only choice is like to be in the EU or not, that choice is stupendously stupid. Anyway, this creates a huge vacuum as a lot of people are critical of immigration and basically the way things are going, yet aren't supporters of the extreme right. The extreme right (or left) naturally have a very small following, hence there is something very wrong when some extremists are left to be only supporters of issues which have popular support.

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It's been 25 years since the forming of the EU, and 45 years since we joined the EEC, yet our media still insists on talking about "EU-opponents" and "EU-supporters", or "the Yes-side" and the "No-side", when describing any debate about the EU.

That's because the EU is an impregnable monolithic and fundamentally undemocratic entity. There is a minimum of news coverage and almost no analysis or national debate about EU policy. Since all the real decision makers there are unelected there is nothing anyone can do about it anyway so it all boils down to for or against. Everything else is just an exercise in futility.

[BjornP]

That's because the EU is an impregnable monolithic and fundamentally undemocratic entity. There is a minimum of news coverage and almost no analysis or national debate about EU policy. Since all the real decision makers there are unelected there is nothing anyone can do about it anyway so it all boils down to for or against. Everything else is just an exercise in futility.

Well, aren't you a bucket of hope, sunshine and rainbows... I'd say voting would make a difference, but... both Gianni Pittella, the leader of the Social Democratic group in the EUP, Verhofstadt of the Liberal group and I believe Weber from the Conservative group, too, are all federalists. Meaning that even if vote for your national Social Democratic, Liberal or Conservative parties who are against federalisation and a USE, you're going to empower the three most powerful political alliances in the EUP who are for federalisation and USE by voting in a Social Democratic, liberal or Conservative (non-nationalist) party in in Brussels.

I'm voting Communist in 2019 EUP elections, I think.

[Hastur]

That's because the EU is an impregnable monolithic and fundamentally undemocratic entity. There is a minimum of news coverage and almost no analysis or national debate about EU policy. Since all the real decision makers there are unelected there is nothing anyone can do about it anyway so it all boils down to for or against. Everything else is just an exercise in futility.

Well, aren't you a bucket of hope, sunshine and rainbows... I'd say voting would make a difference, but... both Gianni Pittella, the leader of the Social Democratic group in the EUP, Verhofstadt of the Liberal group and I believe Weber from the Conservative group, too, are all federalists. Meaning that even if vote for your national Social Democratic, Liberal or Conservative parties who are against federalisation and a USE, you're going to empower the three most powerful political alliances in the EUP who are for federalisation and USE by voting in a Social Democratic, liberal or Conservative (non-nationalist) party in in Brussels.

I'm voting Communist in 2019 EUP elections, I think.

The EUP is powerless. It's basically a glorified drinking club. They don't propose or decide any legislation. That is done by the unelected Council and the equally unelected Commission. It's just window dressing.

[Speaker to Animals]

I doubted it, but have no way of reading Swedish news to confirm or refute it.

The fact that, at this point, something like this seems plausible should concern folks.

The veteran angle really is immaterial. What makes the meme effective is that it symbolizes the Swedish people getting slowly extinguished by an uncaring government who would rather give their homes to Muslims.

[Zlaxer]

I doubted it, but have no way of reading Swedish news to confirm or refute it.

The fact that, at this point, something like this seems plausible should concern folks.

The veteran angle really is immaterial. What makes the meme effective is that it symbolizes the Swedish people getting slowly extinguished by an uncaring government who would rather give their homes to Muslims.

Natural selection - Swedes elected their government on their own accord - means they brought this on themselves - too stupid to survive - behold the natural way.

[Speaker to Animals]

The democratic illusion is just an illusion. Most westerners have no ability within the system to stop the genocide.

That's why you will start to see people taking matters into their own hands, making life miserable for the muslims in the hope that they give up and return to their home nations.

The muslims won't give up (this really is a war to many of them), and it will escalate to sectarian violence from there.

Bottom line: once people realize they are targeted with a kind of soft genocide, they are going to fight back. This probably will get very ugly.

[BjornP]

The EUP is powerless. It's basically a glorified drinking club. They don't propose or decide any legislation. That is done by the unelected Council and the equally unelected Commission. It's just window dressing.

Won't get any arguments from me that the Commission needs to go. Especially given that certain members of the Commission being vocal about USE being the only "solution" for Europe. I'm just not 100% sold on the notion that the EU is too broken yet (as in too many bureaucrat and national leaders pushing for a USE, making it the inevitable destination of "european integration"). National governments still call the shots, and it's them on the Council. While there are openly federalist PM's in Europe (Italy's Renzi) I think most countries are not willing to give up national sovereignty. But we're way overdue for our elected leaders clearly telling the federalist factions that.

[Zlaxer]

The muslims won't give up (this really is a war to many of them), and it will escalate to sectarian violence from there.

If that happens, the Muzzies will be wiped out - their track record against the West (in modern times) is not good - even 3k dead on 911 is nothing compared to what western people (if it really comes to full blown war) would do to the Muzzies....

Think 1930's Europe - Islam will be wiped out if it does not unfuck itself.

[Speaker to Animals]

The muslims won't give up (this really is a war to many of them), and it will escalate to sectarian violence from there.

If that happens, the Muzzies will be wiped out - their track record against the West (in modern times) is not good - even 3k dead on 911 is nothing compared to what western people (if it really comes to full blown war) would do to the Muzzies....

Think 1930's Europe - Islam will be wiped out if it does not unfuck itself.

Yep.

Sometimes I wonder if their more educated imams realize this. They have to see this coming?