Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

[Martin Hash]

It's 2 years into Trump's presidency and there's no evidence of anything. There never will be because this is political not judicial. Anybody who disagrees with me has been hypnotized. Wrap it up now.

p.s. Hanarchy agrees with me, he's just arguing the other side for laughs.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

It's 2 years into Trump's presidency and there's no evidence of anything. There never will be because this is political not judicial. Anybody who disagrees with me has been hypnotized. Wrap it up now.

p.s. Hanarchy agrees with me, he's just arguing the other side for laughs.

Not at all.

We don't have a lot of reference points for how long an investigation like this is supposed to take. And, given the circumstances, a witch hunt and a fishing expedition look much the same as being thorough and professional, from the outside.

I would be totally happy, and completely accept the verdict if it showed Trump was in the clear. I like to think of myself as a... classic conservative. I like order, and Trump being a Russian agent would almost certainly cause disorder.

However, I should also like to see the investigation conclude without constant meddling, and attempts to discredit the investigators.

[C-Mag]

HM, would you be OK with Mueller and his team being replaced, and the Special Counsel handed over to a different team ?

By whom, and for what? Because we don't usually let people pick the authority investigating them. Hence the initial recusal of Sessions.

I have tried to keep up with the attempts to discredit Mueller, but I can only be assed to read so many cui bono and ad ignorantiam conspiracy nonsense smears before I just tucker the fuck out.

If Mueller was assigned to investigate the Comey firing, and it is well known Comey and Mueller are long time friends...…………… where's the recusal of Mueller ?

Thanks HM. That's the question that proves this is political as Marty pointed out. Gotta be Mueller that investigates Trump.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

HM, would you be OK with Mueller and his team being replaced, and the Special Counsel handed over to a different team ?

By whom, and for what? Because we don't usually let people pick the authority investigating them. Hence the initial recusal of Sessions.

I have tried to keep up with the attempts to discredit Mueller, but I can only be assed to read so many cui bono and ad ignorantiam conspiracy nonsense smears before I just tucker the fuck out.

If Mueller was assigned to investigate the Comey firing, and it is well known Comey and Mueller are long time friends...…………… where's the recusal of Mueller ?

Thanks HM. That's the question that proves this is political as Marty pointed out. Gotta be Mueller that investigates Trump.

He wasn't appointed to 'investigate the Comey firing.' The Comey firing made Trump's deputy AG feel like a special investigation into Russia was required. Why Trump fired Comey isn't under investigation. Trump said exactly why he fired Comey, so an investigation is somewhat surplus to requirement.

And, Mueller would only need to recuse himself from investigating Comey, which he isn't doing even if Comey's firing is part of the investigation into Trump. Whether or not that particular Trumpian 8D move was collusion isn't for Mueller to decide, and never was. That is for whatever lawyers show up to deal with whatever information Mueller uncovers.

[pineapplemike]

If if if if if if if if if if if the cops blow a murder investigation, does that mean they shouldn't investigate another murder?

Who gives two poops what the world would be like IF Hillary won. Maybe we would live in a constant chaos nightmare, or maybe the new utopia of wise feminine guidance would have been ushered in. Nothing that would have happened, but didn't, is relevant in any way to a discussion of Trump's relationship to the DOJ.

if they blow a murder investigation on purpose and the killer goes free? and the killer's accomplices get immunity deals? uh yeah, they shouldnt, and if they do they should be viewed with 1000% more skepticism

i don't like to bring up the hypothetical 'if she had won' as a basis for an argument so im not trying to hammer that point, but because there is so much overlap between the FBI and the two candidates that it's hard to separate them. luckily we don't have to use hypotheticals, we saw how the FBI and DOJ treated both of them and the bias was clear. to me atleast. im not expecting manafort or flynn to recieve immunity deals, and im fine with that, im not here to protect trump from investigation, i just roll my eyes when james comey makes comments about the integrity of the FBI and the rule of law, as if he has any ground to stand on

That is a whole lot of 'ifs.' Falling back on bias accusations doesn't carry much weight with me. Any time something happens that we don't like, someone else's bias is the spackle for the protection of our own. It is lazy. I should think that a board that is so well versed in the absurdities of SJW logic would be more receptive to that, but, then, again, the splinter in someone else's eye, and all that.

Keep in mind, the special investigation wasn't inaugurated until after Comey was fired, and the firing was one of the things that instigated it. This was something Trump took it upon himself to do, and has nothing to do with Hillary. Since we want to play with counterfactuals, there is reason to believe that the Trump appointed deputy AG wouldn't have bothered appointing a special council to pursue Trump if he hadn't decided to do stupid shit that looked like screwing with legal FBI counterintelligence against Russia. Something else a competent person who was qualified, and not a complete slowpoke, would have known.

Also, keep in mind, that one of the reasons that investigation into Clinton lost steam is a somewhat informal agreement that criminal investigations into the losers of an election are something we don't do in a free and open society.

hey man you're the one that brought in the ifs, okie doke?

[C-Mag]

It's 2 years into Trump's presidency and there's no evidence of anything. There never will be because this is political not judicial. Anybody who disagrees with me has been hypnotized. Wrap it up now.

p.s. Hanarchy agrees with me, he's just arguing the other side for laughs.

+1

I feel the same way about this as the long discussion of Benghazi. I researched this thing like I did Benghazi. In the previous one I concluded that we let folks die because we were smuggling arms from Libya to Syria...…………… which now is clearly true.

We should give these political fucks in DC manning Federal Agencies too much credit, because they fail all the fucking time. About all they have going for them is their title.

[C-Mag]

Keep in mind, the special investigation wasn't inaugurated until after Comey was fired, and the firing was one of the things that instigated it.

By whom, and for what? Because we don't usually let people pick the authority investigating them. Hence the initial recusal of Sessions.

I have tried to keep up with the attempts to discredit Mueller, but I can only be assed to read so many cui bono and ad ignorantiam conspiracy nonsense smears before I just tucker the fuck out.

If Mueller was assigned to investigate the Comey firing, and it is well known Comey and Mueller are long time friends...…………… where's the recusal of Mueller ?

Thanks HM. That's the question that proves this is political as Marty pointed out. Gotta be Mueller that investigates Trump.

He wasn't appointed to 'investigate the Comey firing.' The Comey firing made Trump's deputy AG feel like a special investigation into Russia was required. Why Trump fired Comey isn't under investigation. Trump said exactly why he fired Comey, so an investigation is somewhat surplus to requirement.

And, Mueller would only need to recuse himself from investigating Comey, which he isn't doing even if Comey's firing is part of the investigation into Trump. Whether or not that particular Trumpian 8D move was collusion isn't for Mueller to decide, and never was. That is for whatever lawyers show up to deal with whatever information Mueller uncovers.

Make up your mind.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

if they blow a murder investigation on purpose and the killer goes free? and the killer's accomplices get immunity deals? uh yeah, they shouldnt, and if they do they should be viewed with 1000% more skepticism

i don't like to bring up the hypothetical 'if she had won' as a basis for an argument so im not trying to hammer that point, but because there is so much overlap between the FBI and the two candidates that it's hard to separate them. luckily we don't have to use hypotheticals, we saw how the FBI and DOJ treated both of them and the bias was clear. to me atleast. im not expecting manafort or flynn to recieve immunity deals, and im fine with that, im not here to protect trump from investigation, i just roll my eyes when james comey makes comments about the integrity of the FBI and the rule of law, as if he has any ground to stand on

That is a whole lot of 'ifs.' Falling back on bias accusations doesn't carry much weight with me. Any time something happens that we don't like, someone else's bias is the spackle for the protection of our own. It is lazy. I should think that a board that is so well versed in the absurdities of SJW logic would be more receptive to that, but, then, again, the splinter in someone else's eye, and all that.

Keep in mind, the special investigation wasn't inaugurated until after Comey was fired, and the firing was one of the things that instigated it. This was something Trump took it upon himself to do, and has nothing to do with Hillary. Since we want to play with counterfactuals, there is reason to believe that the Trump appointed deputy AG wouldn't have bothered appointing a special council to pursue Trump if he hadn't decided to do stupid shit that looked like screwing with legal FBI counterintelligence against Russia. Something else a competent person who was qualified, and not a complete slowpoke, would have known.

Also, keep in mind, that one of the reasons that investigation into Clinton lost steam is a somewhat informal agreement that criminal investigations into the losers of an election are something we don't do in a free and open society.

hey man you're the one that brought in the ifs, okie doke?

I guess I don't understand what you are getting at then.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Keep in mind, the special investigation wasn't inaugurated until after Comey was fired, and the firing was one of the things that instigated it.

If Mueller was assigned to investigate the Comey firing, and it is well known Comey and Mueller are long time friends...…………… where's the recusal of Mueller ?

Thanks HM. That's the question that proves this is political as Marty pointed out. Gotta be Mueller that investigates Trump.

He wasn't appointed to 'investigate the Comey firing.' The Comey firing made Trump's deputy AG feel like a special investigation into Russia was required. Why Trump fired Comey isn't under investigation. Trump said exactly why he fired Comey, so an investigation is somewhat surplus to requirement.

And, Mueller would only need to recuse himself from investigating Comey, which he isn't doing even if Comey's firing is part of the investigation into Trump. Whether or not that particular Trumpian 8D move was collusion isn't for Mueller to decide, and never was. That is for whatever lawyers show up to deal with whatever information Mueller uncovers.

Make up your mind.

The firing instigated the special council. The special council isn't investigating the firing. These gotchas are boring. I am happy to entertain a counter argument, but failing at pedantry to misrepresent my argument is beneath you.

[C-Mag]

Keep in mind, the special investigation wasn't inaugurated until after Comey was fired, and the firing was one of the things that instigated it.

He wasn't appointed to 'investigate the Comey firing.' The Comey firing made Trump's deputy AG feel like a special investigation into Russia was required. Why Trump fired Comey isn't under investigation. Trump said exactly why he fired Comey, so an investigation is somewhat surplus to requirement.

And, Mueller would only need to recuse himself from investigating Comey, which he isn't doing even if Comey's firing is part of the investigation into Trump. Whether or not that particular Trumpian 8D move was collusion isn't for Mueller to decide, and never was. That is for whatever lawyers show up to deal with whatever information Mueller uncovers.

Make up your mind.

The firing instigated the special council. The special council isn't investigating the firing. These gotchas are boring. I am happy to entertain a counter argument, but failing at pedantry to misrepresent my argument is beneath you.

Comey being fired caused the DOJ to suspect Trump was a Russian agent. Explain that.