THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:44 am

BjornP wrote: need [/i]for a 2% of GDP defense spending, then our current spending is enough.


Is that also what your grandfather said before the Germans invaded and he surrendered after a few hours?

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Fife » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:45 am

BjornP wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:30 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:13 am
BjornP wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:07 am
Your defense against who? Worried Mexico will invade and take back Texas? :o
It is not really any of your fucking business. What actually is your business is your own defense, which you barely pay for. You do not even break 2% on defense spending.
Oh, who your enemy is, is a secret, I guess. ;) As for our defense, if there is no need for a 2% of GDP defense spending, then our current spending is enough. Of course, I've written before about Danish defense equipment falling apart and jets falling from the sky (ground crew for jets on mission to Syria didn't get enough sleep because Defense Dept. sent too few ground crew, so they couldn't get enough sleep). So yeah, we do need to increase our defense spending. Not neccesarily to 2%, though, and not because of some whiny, deranged American president* thinks we owe him money, or something.

*Though as Fife demonstrates, he can be rather funny, and he is good for America in a democratic sense.
One of the perverse effects of NATO is that it leads Americans to have some kind of interest in Denmark's defense budget, and vice versa.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:47 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:13 am
BjornP wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:07 am
Your defense against who? Worried Mexico will invade and take back Texas? :o
It is not really any of your fucking business. What actually is your business is your own defense, which you barely pay for. You do not even break 2% on defense spending.
I took a peak at the numbers of Denmark.
5.8 Million people
15K in active military...………… roughly one division
12K in Reserve
Military spending is $3.8 Billion or 1.17 % of GDP

Which just for the peninsula isn't too bad. The thing is Denmark owns Greenland, which is a huge land mass and a strategic location they really can't properly defend. Now, I don't know what the US pays Denmark to lease that land, but I do know that Denmark took the US to court over which contractors got the business to do improvements and maintenance on Thule Air Base. Denmark arguing it had to go the Danes.
At a minimum, some Danes are very happy with the US there, providing Defense Denmark fails to provide, gets paid for a land lease, and gets jobs working at our bases.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by BjornP » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:37 am

C-Mag wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:47 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:13 am
BjornP wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:07 am
Your defense against who? Worried Mexico will invade and take back Texas? :o
It is not really any of your fucking business. What actually is your business is your own defense, which you barely pay for. You do not even break 2% on defense spending.
I took a peak at the numbers of Denmark.
5.8 Million people
15K in active military...………… roughly one division
12K in Reserve
Military spending is $3.8 Billion or 1.17 % of GDP

Which just for the peninsula isn't too bad. The thing is Denmark owns Greenland, which is a huge land mass and a strategic location they really can't properly defend. Now, I don't know what the US pays Denmark to lease that land, but I do know that Denmark took the US to court over which contractors got the business to do improvements and maintenance on Thule Air Base. Denmark arguing it had to go the Danes.
At a minimum, some Danes are very happy with the US there, providing Defense Denmark fails to provide, gets paid for a land lease, and gets jobs working at our bases.
You own a couple of Greenland airbases for your own defense, given Greenland's strategic location. Danish ships and jets patrol the coasts of Greenland. Most of the old bases have been abandoned, and the Greenland government (they have home rule, much like Scotland has in the UK) want all US bases gone - citing pollution and lack of subsequent clean-up efforts. They got a no from the Danish government. In a poll from 2012, Greenlanders envision their future, primary ally and partner being Canada if they got independence. 84% still support the union with Denmark. Only 6% support allying with the US, same as the number for China, btw. You're not on Greenland to do us a favor. Which is fine, for the record. Just don't try and hide behind pretending to be charitable to us, when it's really just about improving your own defensive capabilities. Everyone knows why you're there, and it's fine. In the case of Russia wanting to raise the stakes militarily, and go into Cold War 2.0, having air defense capabilities on Greenland makes alot of sense for you. If Greenland goes independent, they'll probably kick you out, though.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by The Conservative » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:47 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:43 am
The left cannot meme because they oppose truth itself. Everything is relative to them, so their fake narrative is their substitute for reality. This is why their memes often say more about how fucked up they themselves are than anything else.
Don't know about that, Sen. Warren stated she is doing an investigation run for the presidency... that's humorous on its own right.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:06 am

The Conservative wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:47 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:43 am
The left cannot meme because they oppose truth itself. Everything is relative to them, so their fake narrative is their substitute for reality. This is why their memes often say more about how fucked up they themselves are than anything else.
Don't know about that, Sen. Warren stated she is doing an investigation run for the presidency... that's humorous on its own right.
It is a microaggression to refer to a pow wow as a white patriarchal heteronormative "investigation". Racist.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by DBTrek » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:12 am

BjornP wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:37 am
In the case of Russia wanting to raise the stakes militarily, and go into Cold War 2.0, having air defense capabilities on Greenland makes alot of sense for you. If Greenland goes independent, they'll probably kick you out, though.
Leading to Greenland swiftly becoming the 51st state.
:dance:

That is ... assuming the USA can challenge the military might of Denmark’s 1.17% GDP armed forces.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:13 am

I don't blame the Danes for not wanting American Legions in Greenland. If I were a Dane, I wouldn't want the Legions their either. But what happens here is there's money being paid to Danish politicians and Danish business is making money, so that goes out the window.

From a US standpoint, we've effectively made you a Hegemonic vassal, but you're in good company, we've done it all over the world. We're pretty good at it too. Most of America didn't want to get involved in WWII, but we were drug into it and in the 76 years since we entered WWII, I count us being at war for 40 of those years.

My position is that, enough is enough. It's not good for the US to attempt to remain the only real global Surperpower, and it's not good for people like the Danes. Vassal states like Denmark can kick the empire out, and we'll go. Look at Subic Bay in the Phillipines. A combination of money and the Phillipinos no longer wanted us there and we handed over a first rate facility to the host nation.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by DrYouth » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:16 am

DBTrek wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:12 am
Leading to Greenland swiftly becoming the 51st state.
:dance:

That is ... assuming the USA can challenge the military might of Denmark’s 1.17% GDP armed forces.
:twisted:
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by DBTrek » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:19 am

How did the Odin vs Jesus showdown go last time?

Hint: Why did Vikings sail every direction possible, but never form an army to march against the Holy Roman Empire directly to their South?
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