THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:41 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:58 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:51 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:49 pm
I was a idealistic, navive, socialist leaning liberal throughout college and right out of school. Over the past roughly five years or so I have become more and more conservative traditonalist. I voted liberal every chance I got. I didn't vote in 2016. Mostly, what I can say is that I'm against Communism, Socialism, Modernism, Materialism, Atheism. etc. What does that make me now? Don't be to harsh...
Neo-reactionary

When the Alt-right implodes from peak silliness, reaction is going to be what rises.
Im not that attracted to what I've seen from Richard Spencer and/or Counter Currents and all the anti jew talk is just silly imo really. The only politician I can say looks/looked appealing is Pat Buchanan really. A Paleo Conservative. I just cant dig the Atheism/Paganism / fake/trendyness/futurism of most Alt-Right speakers, but a lot of what I read/hear appeals to me. Some doesn't.


The antisemitism is going to be their undoing.

I do keep track of them to see where they are going because I am certain their implosion is the signal for true Reaction to rise again, and I have noticed quite a lot of them are actually becoming true reactionaries themselves. They are trying to bring reaction into the alt-right, but more likely the effect will be a growth out of that national socialism stuff towards true reaction in the same way that they grew out of libertarianism to wake up to identity and became alt-right.

There is an article at that journal I told you about that has a paragraph that sums up the problem of how the political "choices" we have today are no choice at all. It's what I have been trying to explain here for quite a while, but written better than I could write:
Most Americans who are in the slightest degree politically active are inclined to hold one of the two chief political positions common in this country, what we call conservatism or liberalism. In fact, each of these blocs constitutes not only a political grouping, but a cultural group as well, each with its favorite publications and web sites, radio shows, almost its own distinct ways of dressing and eating. Although there is much that one could say about these two groups, I want to comment on one thing only about them. This is that each of them is conscious of the claims of the common good and firmly committed to restraint of human passions, backed up even by the authority of law, in one sphere or area of human life, and equally committed to a laissez-faire policy in another sphere. While each group seems to be aware of the dangers that unrestrained acquiescence in human weakness poses to the social good in one area, each is equally blind to those same dangers in another and equally crucial sphere of life.
http://distributistreview.com/the-contr ... ervatives/

Libertarianism, in my opinion, is the final fruition of modernity in that it simply embraces degeneracy in every sphere of human existence.

When people wake up to the fact that most of the choices that the media and society has provided them were no choices at all, it's going to be a revolutionary period. I just hope minds are not swayed by marxists or alt-right at this point. I don't want to live in either national socialism or communism.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:51 pm

The way I see it, the cancer is in the confusing license with liberty. Liberals see unrestrained economic systems as a threat to the good of society and even individual happiness and liberty. They are right. But they don't see the problem with unrestrained personal moral choices that result in society-wide destruction and costs that threaten to dismantle our civilization through the decay of the human family and even the smothering of the fertility rate itself to the point where entire peoples could be extinguished from this Earth.

The conservatives see the threat of unrestrained license in personal morality, the threat to the family, etc., but they are totally blind to the threat wealth imbalances, corporate power, and the increasing economic disenfranchisement that is occurring from laissez-faire capitalism. They don't care about big money corruption of the government. They don't care about the ability of workers to organize into guilds or unions to pursue their happiness in the same way that capitalists join into corporations and business groups. They see the dangers of unions corrupting the political process, but the big corporations bribing our government to totally glut labor markets with visa programs that amount to a kind of modern slavery don't seem to be a problem one bit.

Libertarians are like, fuck it, let's just embrace all the degeneracy. It's not the degeneracy that is the problem but the idea that we should restrain it.

Well, fuck them too.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:21 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:00 pm
the ideals of libertarianism are light-years beyond anything offered by Team D and Team R.
:lol:

He's serious.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

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C-Mag wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:13 am
55% of Dems believe Russians changed vote totals
There are a group of people I spoke to that say that the Russians did influence, and that I don't know what I. Talking about because unlike the. I don't see the intelligence breeding they do.

Which to me, means it's BS.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by GloryofGreece » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:03 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:51 pm
The way I see it, the cancer is in the confusing license with liberty. Liberals see unrestrained economic systems as a threat to the good of society and even individual happiness and liberty. They are right. But they don't see the problem with unrestrained personal moral choices that result in society-wide destruction and costs that threaten to dismantle our civilization through the decay of the human family and even the smothering of the fertility rate itself to the point where entire peoples could be extinguished from this Earth.

The conservatives see the threat of unrestrained license in personal morality, the threat to the family, etc., but they are totally blind to the threat wealth imbalances, corporate power, and the increasing economic disenfranchisement that is occurring from laissez-faire capitalism. They don't care about big money corruption of the government. They don't care about the ability of workers to organize into guilds or unions to pursue their happiness in the same way that capitalists join into corporations and business groups. They see the dangers of unions corrupting the political process, but the big corporations bribing our government to totally glut labor markets with visa programs that amount to a kind of modern slavery don't seem to be a problem one bit.

Libertarians are like, fuck it, let's just embrace all the degeneracy. It's not the degeneracy that is the problem but the idea that we should restrain it.

Well, fuck them too.
I agree with your conclusions. Unfortunately I cannot see a way out for our society without at least a cohesive moral/meaning to life that most citizens can agree on and I don't see civic nationalism/constitution etc. being good enough to fill that role. I can only imagine religion. I don't think we can create our own real values and at the same time the real or symbolic effect of disenchantment complicates this matter severely. I think races can coincide and even thrive potentially with one another but there has to be something more than civics to bind them together. Im thinking culture, language, and religion can do those things. Its not just race or it doesn't have to be race. Maybe that's easier but I think religion can as well. But then we have the issue of the separation of church and state/and the Constitution (which I am generally in favor of but its complicated...haha) So idk...
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by TheReal_ND » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:51 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:04 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:55 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:51 pm


Neo-reactionary

When the Alt-right implodes from peak silliness, reaction is going to be what rises.
I've never felt more lost politically in my entire life. I don't know who or what to vote for when I look at most local and state much less national elections. No major party really voices what I believe or feel I stand for. The Democrats are more and more counter to what I know in my heart is right or just etc. but the Republicans do a lot of shit I don't advocate either.
Welcome to the Libertarian Party.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by TheReal_ND » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:57 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:55 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:51 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:49 pm
I was a idealistic, navive, socialist leaning liberal throughout college and right out of school. Over the past roughly five years or so I have become more and more conservative traditonalist. I voted liberal every chance I got. I didn't vote in 2016. Mostly, what I can say is that I'm against Communism, Socialism, Modernism, Materialism, Atheism. etc. What does that make me now? Don't be to harsh...
Neo-reactionary

When the Alt-right implodes from peak silliness, reaction is going to be what rises.
I've never felt more lost politically in my entire life. I don't know who or what to vote for when I look at most local and state much less national elections. No major party really voices what I believe or feel I stand for. The Democrats are more and more counter to what I know in my heart is right or just etc. but the Republicans do a lot of shit I don't advocate either.
If you are in any way a nationalist and/or nativist, let alone the desire to preserve the White race just call yourself a dissident to the neo-liberal world order and actively follow politics so that you know which Republicans to vote out.

The US has a winner take all policy where 51% of the vote secures representation in the district. Dividing yourself into a libertarian or nazi party in a winner take all system doesn't work. The Right is very far behind the learning curve politically compared to the Left.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by GloryofGreece » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:13 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:57 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:55 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:51 pm


Neo-reactionary

When the Alt-right implodes from peak silliness, reaction is going to be what rises.
I've never felt more lost politically in my entire life. I don't know who or what to vote for when I look at most local and state much less national elections. No major party really voices what I believe or feel I stand for. The Democrats are more and more counter to what I know in my heart is right or just etc. but the Republicans do a lot of shit I don't advocate either.
If you are in any way a nationalist and/or nativist, let alone the desire to preserve the White race just call yourself a dissident to the neo-liberal world order and actively follow politics so that you know which Republicans to vote out.

The US has a winner take all policy where 51% of the vote secures representation in the district. Dividing yourself into a libertarian or nazi party in a winner take all system doesn't work. The Right is very far behind the learning curve politically compared to the Left.
Good points. I feel like that is a practical response and logical. I'm more just thinking out loud but its odd in a lot of ways to be in my 30s and now im changing politics and feel ashamed of being so ignorant during my stupid 20s. I thought I wasn't an idiot but really I was. It was a sense of compassion (unconscious or even just projecting) that lay at the core of me voting Democratic for over 10 years. I believe in helping my countrymen and borders, America first etc. I also believe in actually helping our citizens economically and socially. Its not just projection or virtue signaling I really think we are only as strong as our weakest link. And I want to spend money, time, and energy on helping to make citizens stronger and more self reliant. Teach a man to fish and all...
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by TheReal_ND » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:17 pm

Old school Democrats were right. They weren't the bad guys in some of the midwestern states. It was the Republicans that sold out the native populations and left them destitute while competing against an external proletariat class at the meat packing plants where once they could make a decent living and raise their families. Republicans did this to the American worker just as much if not more than the Democrats with their blindness to mass immigration.

Eta: perhaps willfully nefarious blindness to mass immigration in order to gain power.

Foreign collusion case against them when?

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Hwen Hoshino » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:08 am

TheReal_ND wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:51 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:04 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:55 pm

I've never felt more lost politically in my entire life. I don't know who or what to vote for when I look at most local and state much less national elections. No major party really voices what I believe or feel I stand for. The Democrats are more and more counter to what I know in my heart is right or just etc. but the Republicans do a lot of shit I don't advocate either.
Welcome to the Libertarian Party.
Nice party. Got more dildos and weed? Asking for a Democrat friend.
Got more far than any sort of recent Nazi Party that is for sure.
TheReal_ND wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:17 pm
Old school Democrats were right. They weren't the bad guys in some of the midwestern states. It was the Republicans that sold out the native populations and left them destitute while competing against an external proletariat class at the meat packing plants where once they could make a decent living and raise their families. Republicans did this to the American worker just as much if not more than the Democrats with their blindness to mass immigration.

Eta: perhaps willfully nefarious blindness to mass immigration in order to gain power.

Foreign collusion case against them when?

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