“More Democrats Should Be Calling for the Repeal of the Second Amendment”

[Zlaxer]

To wit, long before they were called "SJWs", they were just called "Them Yankees".

[Smitty-48]

George Washington was not a Yankee; the Original Virginia Seceshe.

George Washington was overthrown, at the foot of Cemetery Ridge.

The wheat being cut down on that field, was the Virginians.

[DrYouth]

The nuance is in the name, it's not the Republic of America, it's the Republic of the United States of America, United States being the operating clause, the right to bear arms being a States Right, the citizens of each state expressed as a Well Regulated Militia, so the issue is autonomy from the central authority over the Free States which agreed to come into the Union, with caveats, one of those caveats being that they would retain their armed militias independent of the federal government.

Then South Carolina tried to walk away, and the central authority has been trying to undermine the independence of the Free States ever since.

So why does every citizen have to have the right to bear arms in order to have a well regulated state militia?
Why is this being framed as a human rights question and not a states right question?
How did this all get conflated and why is the outcome so unique to the United States...

American Exceptionalism?

[DBTrek]

A better question might be “With the lopsided history of governments exterminating citizens vs citizens exterminating governments, how were the rest of you so easily conned into disarming before the greatest murderers on Earth?”

[DrYouth]

A better question might be “With the lopsided history of governments exterminating citizens vs citizens exterminating governments, how were the rest of you so easily conned into disarming before the greatest murderers on Earth?”

The rest of you being pretty much every other nation on earth?

I dunno...

Maybe it's the natural order of things for warlords to disarm or be disarmed once a state reaches a certain level of maturity?

Maybe heavily armed segments of society create a level of instability that is untenable... and most societies move away from it?

It's a good question... but there seem to be other states making it work... other states that that rate highly on ratings of personal freedom.

Only the US has held onto this... the question I'm asking is why only the US?

[DBTrek]

Europe has a long history of disarming before their monarchs - nothing new there.

Evolution always looks strange to the obsolete species I guess.
/shrug

[Speaker to Animals]

[Smitty-48]

The nuance is in the name, it's not the Republic of America, it's the Republic of the United States of America, United States being the operating clause, the right to bear arms being a States Right, the citizens of each state expressed as a Well Regulated Militia, so the issue is autonomy from the central authority over the Free States which agreed to come into the Union, with caveats, one of those caveats being that they would retain their armed militias independent of the federal government.

Then South Carolina tried to walk away, and the central authority has been trying to undermine the independence of the Free States ever since.

So why does every citizen have to have the right to bear arms in order to have a well regulated state militia?
Why is this being framed as a human rights question and not a states right question?
How did this all get conflated and why is the outcome so unique to the United States...

American Exceptionalism?

The universal rights exceptionalism flows from the Declaration of Independence, as liberty flows from God himself rather than a Westphalian sovereign, otherwise known as The Shot Heard Round the World.

[Smitty-48]

And this all flows from the Reformation and associated Glorious Revolution, as liberty first had to be wrested from the Pope in Rome, then when that got to America, the King was jettisoned along with the Pope, direct access to the Almighty with nothing betwixt, fall upon your knees wherever the be and sup from the cup of liberty, straight from on high, but keep your powder dry and your musket handy, lest some Papists show up to try to tell your otherwise.

[Smitty-48]

A better question might be “With the lopsided history of governments exterminating citizens vs citizens exterminating governments, how were the rest of you so easily conned into disarming before the greatest murderers on Earth?”

The rest of you being pretty much every other nation on earth?

I dunno...

Maybe it's the natural order of things for warlords to disarm or be disarmed once a state reaches a certain level of maturity?

Maybe heavily armed segments of society create a level of instability that is untenable... and most societies move away from it?

It's a good question... but there seem to be other states making it work... other states that that rate highly on ratings of personal freedom.

Only the US has held onto this... the question I'm asking is why only the US?

You've got it backwards, the United States matured to the point of jettisoning Westphalian sovereignty as the supreme arbiter, while most other countries are still clinging to Europeanized Munsterism.

In a Darwinian sense, the Americans would be the next step in the evolution of liberty, the rest are in the dark ages of Royalist Popery for all intents and purposes.

The only thing that is untenable in America, is the rise of a Europeanized cohort of Americans who are trying to jam the liberty toothpaste back into the tube, entirely based on whipping up moral panic and propagating nonsensical fallacies as their rubrics, primarily because they do not embrace the states rights inherent to the constitution, and seek to make the Executive in Washington the King of the Popes in its stead.

In the context of the Declaration of Independence, that would be the thing which is inherently destabilizing and incendiary, as thus is the stuff American Civil Wars of made of.