The Era of Biden

[StCapps]

I tend to agree with Hannarchy.
You've got 700 bases around the world. How much money are you expecting to get back from the MIC by pulling out of one airbase in Afghanistan?
You've still got 40k troops in Germany and 70k in Korea. 5-10k left in Afghanistan isn't going to break the bank.

I'm not being snide when I say that I thought that's what you'd say. I was curious though...

Since drtrech never made it over, Bjorn was chased off with unnecessary rudeness and Grumps went over to the dark side, there's only HM left to offer the moderate's viewpoint IMO.

extremism in defense of liberty is no vice

moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue

[C-Mag]

I honestly dont mind living in a world with barbarians in it.

the Pashtun barbarians are popular in Afghanistan

I want a world with barbians, feudal societies, monarchies, and theocracies. I want to be able to choose which one to live in, I'm choosing a Classic Liberal land...................... unfortunately, I don't know where that is anymore. Because the people that want to stay in Afghanistan forever, want me to buy shit made with Chinese slave labor, and demand I get jabbed with experimental drugs have control of my land.

[Montegriffo]

I give Monty permission to debate Hanny.

I tend to agree with Hannarchy.
You've got 700 bases around the world. How much money are you expecting to get back from the MIC by pulling out of one airbase in Afghanistan?
You've still got 40k troops in Germany and 70k in Korea. 5-10k left in Afghanistan isn't going to break the bank.

Afghanistan is not worth it

what use is staying in Afghanistan?

a) you deny it to your enemies.
b) you help stabilise the region for the pipelines you need for your unquenchable thirst for fossil fuels.
c) You don't signal to every terrorist on the planet that America has gone soft.
That's just off the top of my head.

[Smitty-48]

I honestly dont mind living in a world with barbarians in it.

the Pashtun barbarians are popular in Afghanistan

I want a world with barbians, feudal societies, monarchies, and theocracies. I want to be able to choose which one to live in, I'm choosing a Classic Liberal land...................... unfortunately, I don't know where that is anymore. Because the people that want to stay in Afghanistan forever, want me to buy shit made with Chinese slave labor, and demand I get jabbed with experimental drugs have control of my land.

at the end of the day, the state has never really impeded my life

I have done as I wanted to do, got everything I ever wanted

I simply oppose the direction the state is going, on principle alone

otherwise, my world is very small

Tucker Carlson Lifestyle

just me, my wife, and my dogs, living free on our homestead, in the 21st century frontier

all things considered, we are living the American dream, the pinnacle of civilization itself

[StCapps]

I tend to agree with Hannarchy.
You've got 700 bases around the world. How much money are you expecting to get back from the MIC by pulling out of one airbase in Afghanistan?
You've still got 40k troops in Germany and 70k in Korea. 5-10k left in Afghanistan isn't going to break the bank.

Afghanistan is not worth it

what use is staying in Afghanistan?

a) you deny it to your enemies.
b) you help stabilise the region for the pipelines you need for your unquenchable thirst for fossil fuels.
c) You don't signal to every terrorist on the planet that America has gone soft.
That's just off the top of my head.

none of those reasons are worth it

your love of quagmires in pursuit of things that aren't important are laughable

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

notice how those claiming America should stay forever

are completely unable to explain the benefits of doing that

yet think they should stay forever anyway

cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug

Our biggest threats and competitors are all on the Asian and Eurasian continents.

That is the benefit of exercising regional control.

So far the only argument for letting go of that control is that the Taliban aren't woke, which is the sort of foreign policy thinking I would expect from a 15 year old.

[StCapps]

notice how those claiming America should stay forever

are completely unable to explain the benefits of doing that

yet think they should stay forever anyway

cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug

Our biggest threats and competitors are all on the Asian and Eurasian continents.

That is the benefit of exercising regional control.

So far the only argument for letting go of that control is that the Taliban aren't woke, which is the sort of foreign policy thinking I would expect from a 15 year old.

what competitor is being contained by America remaining in a quagmire in Afghanistan?

none

it is not of any use whatsoever

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I honestly dont mind living in a world with barbarians in it.

the Pashtun barbarians are popular in Afghanistan

I want a world with barbians, feudal societies, monarchies, and theocracies. I want to be able to choose which one to live in, I'm choosing a Classic Liberal land...................... unfortunately, I don't know where that is anymore. Because the people that want to stay in Afghanistan forever, want me to buy shit made with Chinese slave labor, and demand I get jabbed with experimental drugs have control of my land.

How does leaving Afghanistan to the Taliban hurt China or strike a blow against big pharma?

[StCapps]

the Pashtun barbarians are popular in Afghanistan

I want a world with barbians, feudal societies, monarchies, and theocracies. I want to be able to choose which one to live in, I'm choosing a Classic Liberal land...................... unfortunately, I don't know where that is anymore. Because the people that want to stay in Afghanistan forever, want me to buy shit made with Chinese slave labor, and demand I get jabbed with experimental drugs have control of my land.

How does leaving Afghanistan to the Taliban hurt China or strike a blow against big pharma?

how does staying do that?

it doesn't

[Smitty-48]

the Pashtun barbarians are popular in Afghanistan

I want a world with barbians, feudal societies, monarchies, and theocracies. I want to be able to choose which one to live in, I'm choosing a Classic Liberal land...................... unfortunately, I don't know where that is anymore. Because the people that want to stay in Afghanistan forever, want me to buy shit made with Chinese slave labor, and demand I get jabbed with experimental drugs have control of my land.

How does leaving Afghanistan to the Taliban hurt China or strike a blow against big pharma?

in terms of hurting China, it is drawing them down a rabbit hole

making Pakistan China's problem is a good thing

let them get drawn into that

this was the original mission in Afghanistan, way back in 1979

let the Communists get dragged into that quagmire, make it into their Vietnam