So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:45 pm

heydaralon wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:41 pm
What was the realpolitik reasoning behind Obama's urge to cozy up with Iran? What did it gain us globally to try and make a nuclear deal with them?
No realpolitik, just pandering to the leftist base, virtue signalling as policy

The Democrat traitors to the republic cozying up to America's sworn enemies, to show how Woke they are.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:03 pm

The problem with Iran is that it's 82 million people spread over 1.6 million kilometers

It's too big for an invasion, it's three times the size of Iraq

Thus all you can do is contain them with air power from the sea.

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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:12 pm

The other thing about Iran is that the pro western liberals are in the minority

They mostly live in Tehran, and they're not revolutionary, they're not going to overthrow the Mullahs

The bulk of the Iranian population is rural, and they are mostly with the regime in Tehran

Cold War is optimal, containment is in effect, it's not World War Three, they have no leverage at the strategic level

If they take the bait, they get bombed with impunity, so they won't do that unless they are completely desperate.

It's not North Vietnam. they can't just hunker down and take a pounding, they care too much about the money.

They're not communists, they are worried about their economy, this gives America massive leverage over them.

King Dollar rules the waves, just stay in the boat and strike from the sea as necessary
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:32 pm

Bear in mind that the the thing that makes America the preeminent superpower is logistics

In order to get to World War Three, you need a challenger who can move things on a scale with America.

The Russians are not the Soviets, they don't have the lift to challenge America, tactically proficient, but strategically they are hollowed out.

Maybe the Chinese will get there someday, but they ain't there yet, they don't have the horses neither.

There is no realistic prospect for a Hegemonic war of succession on the horizon, America is still too far ahead, logistically.

It's not so much about how many guns America has, it's all about the sea and air lift, which neither the Russians nor Chinese can compete with.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by heydaralon » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:35 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:12 pm
The other thing about Iran is that the pro western liberals are in the minority

They mostly live in Tehran, and they're not revolutionary, they're not going to overthrow the Mullahs

The bulk of the Iranian population is rural, and they are mostly with the regime in Tehran

Cold War is optimal, containment is in effect, it's not World War Three, they have no leverage at the strategic level

If they take the bait, they get bombed with impunity, so they won't do that unless they are completely desperate.

It's not North Vietnam. they can't just hunker down and take a pounding, they care too much about the money.

They're not communists, they are worried about their economy, this gives America massive leverage over them.

King Dollar rules the waves, just stay in the boat and strike from the sea as necessary
Good.

That regime is evil as fuck.

Its funny. I have read a few books on Iran, and the Hanoi Dan narrative that we overthrew Mossadegh in 1953 is absurdly simplistic.

1) Our coup failed. The second uprising was generated by legit anti Mossadegh sentiment from the clergy and bazaar. The merchants and religious folks hated Mossadegh becaue:

2) Mossadegh was a fucking commie stooge and dictator. The main thing he did as "democratically elected" prime minister was to establish emergency powers for himself which he immediately used to lock up his opponents and ally with the Tudeh (Iran communist party). The mullahs and merchants rightfully didn't like that.

Everyone in Iran hated Savak, but the Islamic Regime didn't get rid of Savak. They kept the same torturers, and changed its name to MOIS. True story. I'm sick of the US being the sole cause of Middle East violence. If we disappeared off the face of the Earth tomorrow along with Israel, the region would still be a bloody sectarian shithole. The Sunni Gulf states have been waging proxy wars with the Shia Cresecent for almost 50 years. They hate each other as much as they hate us. Fuck them.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:37 pm

heydaralon wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:35 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:12 pm
The other thing about Iran is that the pro western liberals are in the minority

They mostly live in Tehran, and they're not revolutionary, they're not going to overthrow the Mullahs

The bulk of the Iranian population is rural, and they are mostly with the regime in Tehran

Cold War is optimal, containment is in effect, it's not World War Three, they have no leverage at the strategic level

If they take the bait, they get bombed with impunity, so they won't do that unless they are completely desperate.

It's not North Vietnam. they can't just hunker down and take a pounding, they care too much about the money.

They're not communists, they are worried about their economy, this gives America massive leverage over them.

King Dollar rules the waves, just stay in the boat and strike from the sea as necessary
Good.

That regime is evil as fuck.

Its funny. I have read a few books on Iran, and the Hanoi Dan narrative that we overthrew Mossadegh in 1953 is absurdly simplistic.
Mossadeg was a Commie Stooge, it's only the liberal media which lionizes these twats.

Same thing with Allende, what a douche, chuck them out of the helicopters, General Pinochet.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:45 pm

Everything we enjoy in life is a result of and dependent upon the Pax Americana

Virtue signalling to the otherwise is comical; to the lampposts with the Hollywood Liberal Panty Waists

You're either wit us or agin us; fuck Iran and the horse they rode in on, and their European proxies too.

They are just as dependent on King Dollar as everybody else; suck it, leftist traitors to the republic.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Montegriffo » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:53 pm

This is the underlying reason for all the EU hatred we see in the US.
Running scared from the competition.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by heydaralon » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:55 pm

Why can't these bolshie cocksuckers understand this? If you feel Iran was wronged by you,given them the deed to your houses. If you think Chile would be better under a Marxist lowlife, then give a Chilean your bank acct pin number and your social security number to help with social justice. Oh wait, doing so would interrupt your millinial netflix marathon watch of Handmaiden's Tale? Pitiful faggots my generation. Makes me sick.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:57 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:53 pm
This is the underlying reason for all the EU hatred we see in the US.
Running scared from the competition.
Europe is completely propped up by America, they have no real sovereignty, thus they are upset about it; big whoop / shrugs
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