Statues

[Speaker to Animals]

You out of all people should know the answer to that.

The answer is no. If there is no history, then you cannot repeat it.


History is its own thing. It's not really like hitting the rewind button on time at all. You might be able to say people repeated some past events that we no longer know anything about, but to repeat history, you need to have some kind of history to repeat. History is not the thing in itself. To confuse it with the past is like confusing the Mona Lisa with whatever prostitute Da Vinci paid to sit there for the painting before boning her.

Oh really?

How many civilizations have destroyed themselves because of the same thing over, and over, and over again? Just because they didn't know about the other cultures didn't mean it didn't exist.

You are confusing the past with history. History is the way individuals and societies perceive and interpret the past. The past is whatever happened. It's not really possible for us to objectively see the past. We have to paint a representation of it, which we invariably do through the formation of narratives derived from our individual biases, and that representation is no more one and the same with the past than a painting is with the subject of the painting.

[The Conservative]

The answer is no. If there is no history, then you cannot repeat it.


History is its own thing. It's not really like hitting the rewind button on time at all. You might be able to say people repeated some past events that we no longer know anything about, but to repeat history, you need to have some kind of history to repeat. History is not the thing in itself. To confuse it with the past is like confusing the Mona Lisa with whatever prostitute Da Vinci paid to sit there for the painting before boning her.

Oh really?

How many civilizations have destroyed themselves because of the same thing over, and over, and over again? Just because they didn't know about the other cultures didn't mean it didn't exist.

You are confusing the past with history. History is the way individuals and societies perceive and interpret the past. The past is whatever happened.

Time is also a man made thing... so what's your point?

The fact is that history is always in the past, known or not, it doesn't matter... even if we go by a single culture such as the US, our own history has been repeated continuously, yet by your own example, it's only the past to some because it is unknown to them. So is it history, or the past? You choose, either way, the fact is that without accepting history, or the past, we are bound to repeat it, regardless of it being known or not.

[Speaker to Animals]

The point is that the actual quote reads: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

That actually makes sense.

Substituting the word past with the word history does not make any sense at all if you really stop and consider what history is.

[Penner]

Sure, then why all the points about getting rid of the statues cause their losers?
Jeff Davis - Loser
Lenin - Loser

What's your comments on the 7 other attacks on statues I posted, Columbus, Linclon, the Peace Memorial and Father Junipero Serra ?

I personally, don't see a lot of statues of Lenin where I am from. Either way, if it's on private property then who cares.

As with the other comment about the "7 other statues," I don't remember seeing them.

[The Conservative]

The point is that the actual quote reads: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

That actually makes sense.

Substituting the word past with the word history does not make any sense at all if you really stop and consider what history is.

One's person's past is another person's history, either way, history to me makes more sense.

[C-Mag]

Sure, then why all the points about getting rid of the statues cause their losers?
Jeff Davis - Loser
Lenin - Loser

What's your comments on the 7 other attacks on statues I posted, Columbus, Linclon, the Peace Memorial and Father Junipero Serra ?

I personally, don't see a lot of statues of Lenin where I am from. Either way, if it's on private property then who cares.

As with the other comment about the "7 other statues," I don't remember seeing them.

Just referenced them for you.................. what, no desire to expand your knowledge beyond your echo chamber ?

[heydaralon]

If they wait 10 years after the statue was erected to pull it down, the "statue of limitations" will have have expired.

[Speaker to Animals]

If they wait 10 years after the statue was erected to pull it down, the "statue of limitations" will have have expired.

Unless there is a squid pro quo.

[Penner]

Sure, then why all the points about getting rid of the statues cause their losers?
Jeff Davis - Loser
Lenin - Loser

What's your comments on the 7 other attacks on statues I posted, Columbus, Linclon, the Peace Memorial and Father Junipero Serra ?

I personally, don't see a lot of statues of Lenin where I am from. Either way, if it's on private property then who cares.

As with the other comment about the "7 other statues," I don't remember seeing them.

Just referenced them for you.................. what, no desire to expand your knowledge beyond your echo chamber ?

I didn't see those posts. Either way, we are (as a nation) heading to a total boiling point and Trump has refused to even try to unite us. Instead, he can't even call a group of Neo-Nazis and KKK bad people and tried to deflect blame. Do totally fucked up.

[C-Mag]

I didn't see those posts. Either way, we are (as a nation) heading to a total boiling point and Trump has refused to even try to unite us. Instead, he can't even call a group of Neo-Nazis and KKK bad people and tried to deflect blame. Do totally fucked up.

Now were getting somewhere.

What did Trump do wrong before Jan 20, 2017 ?
The reason I ask that question is just after Trump won a fair and Democratic election a Resistance Movement was formed and funded to actively work against he Trump as President, marches were planned, protests were formed. Here we are, as you say at a Boiling Point.

How are we going to unite when even before we get a chance to see what the man does he's being protested and undermined. How should the 62 Million people who voted for Trump feel about that?