Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by GloryofGreece » Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:52 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:48 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:44 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:42 pm
Incompetence and mismanagement are far more deadly than conspiracy. The mad scientists and billionaires don't actually have that level of control over the world, they just wish they did.
Disagree but I will never convince you nor you me. Bahahaha. Internets useless.
To you the most powerful people having control and using it for evil is more comforting than they don't have control and a lot of the evil isn't so easily controlled. Control freak confirmation bias.
I'm simplifying for you but I don't believe trends/forces are the primary driver in historical events and hing moments anymore than great to evil men combined with the cycles of life and civilization. Evil isn't easy to control and actually I believe more people are "evil" and selfish than most care to admit.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by StCapps » Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:53 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:52 pm
Evil isn't easy to control and actually I believe more people are "evil" and selfish than most care to admit.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even the evil and selfish do most of their paving that way, they don't see themselves as the villain, they see themselves as the hero, that's what motivates them to keep paving.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by heydaralon » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:15 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:53 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:52 pm
Evil isn't easy to control and actually I believe more people are "evil" and selfish than most care to admit.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even the evil and selfish do most of their paving that way, they don't see themselves as the villain, they see themselves as the hero, that's what motivates them to keep paving.
This quote gets thrown around a lot, but that CS Lewis quote where he says he'd rather be ruled by greedy plutocrats than "idealist" reformer types, because eventually the greedy guy will be satisfied, but the idealist can literally torture people to death and sleep well because they think they are good.

Just looking at the news lately, I think many journalists are cynical lowlifes, but I think a lot of them are the latter category CS Lewis mentioned. Those were the fucks that were cheering Mao on during the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. There is nothing more dangerous than a person with a plan to "improve" society.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by StCapps » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:23 pm

heydaralon wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:15 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:53 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:52 pm
Evil isn't easy to control and actually I believe more people are "evil" and selfish than most care to admit.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even the evil and selfish do most of their paving that way, they don't see themselves as the villain, they see themselves as the hero, that's what motivates them to keep paving.
This quote gets thrown around a lot, but that CS Lewis quote where he says he'd rather be ruled by greedy plutocrats than "idealist" reformer types, because eventually the greedy guy will be satisfied, but the idealist can literally torture people to death and sleep well because they think they are good.

Just looking at the news lately, I think many journalists are cynical lowlifes, but I think a lot of them are the latter category CS Lewis mentioned. Those were the fucks that were cheering Mao on during the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. There is nothing more dangerous than a person with a plan to "improve" society.
A pox on all reformers. Results matter, good intentions are not enough.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by heydaralon » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:20 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:23 pm
heydaralon wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:15 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:53 pm
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even the evil and selfish do most of their paving that way, they don't see themselves as the villain, they see themselves as the hero, that's what motivates them to keep paving.
This quote gets thrown around a lot, but that CS Lewis quote where he says he'd rather be ruled by greedy plutocrats than "idealist" reformer types, because eventually the greedy guy will be satisfied, but the idealist can literally torture people to death and sleep well because they think they are good.

Just looking at the news lately, I think many journalists are cynical lowlifes, but I think a lot of them are the latter category CS Lewis mentioned. Those were the fucks that were cheering Mao on during the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. There is nothing more dangerous than a person with a plan to "improve" society.
A pox on all reformers. Results matter, good intentions are not enough.
The implication of all reformers seems to be that you are stupid and unable to make decisions on your own. Or rather, that you cannot be allowed to make the wrong ones. Nanny state and we are all toddlers. Fuck that shit.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by StCapps » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:20 pm

heydaralon wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:20 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:23 pm
heydaralon wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:15 pm


This quote gets thrown around a lot, but that CS Lewis quote where he says he'd rather be ruled by greedy plutocrats than "idealist" reformer types, because eventually the greedy guy will be satisfied, but the idealist can literally torture people to death and sleep well because they think they are good.

Just looking at the news lately, I think many journalists are cynical lowlifes, but I think a lot of them are the latter category CS Lewis mentioned. Those were the fucks that were cheering Mao on during the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. There is nothing more dangerous than a person with a plan to "improve" society.
A pox on all reformers. Results matter, good intentions are not enough.
The implication of all reformers seems to be that you are stupid and unable to make decisions on your own. Or rather, that you cannot be allowed to make the wrong ones. Nanny state and we are all toddlers. Fuck that shit.
Amen.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:01 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:31 pm

Technocrats are the new Communists.
Please elaborate.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Hastur » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:49 pm

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:01 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:31 pm

Technocrats are the new Communists.
Please elaborate.
I think he refers to the worship of the elite. The technocrats work like the socialist intelligentsia. The know what is "best for everyone" mostly meaning what is best for themselves. In the grass roots they have a lot of followers, useful idiots who want to turn over all the power to them, so they don't have to think for themselves.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:27 am

Hastur wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:49 pm
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:01 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:31 pm

Technocrats are the new Communists.
Please elaborate.
I think he refers to the worship of the elite. The technocrats work like the socialist intelligentsia. The know what is "best for everyone" mostly meaning what is best for themselves. In the grass roots they have a lot of followers, useful idiots who want to turn over all the power to them, so they don't have to think for themselves.
When the Communists take over, the Intelligentsia (Socialist or otherwise) are first against the wall.

My kingdom for a skilled technocrat.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Hastur » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:39 am

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:27 am
Hastur wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:49 pm
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:01 pm


Please elaborate.
I think he refers to the worship of the elite. The technocrats work like the socialist intelligentsia. The know what is "best for everyone" mostly meaning what is best for themselves. In the grass roots they have a lot of followers, useful idiots who want to turn over all the power to them, so they don't have to think for themselves.
When the Communists take over, the Intelligentsia (Socialist or otherwise) are first against the wall.

My kingdom for a skilled technocrat.
The skilled technocrat is like the enlightened monarch. It's an exception to the rule. Most technocrats are just very talented at rising in a bureaucracy.
"Do you not know my son with how little wisdom the world is governed"
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