Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

[Smitty-48]

The irony here is I’m constantly advocating for free speech and free markets, while Zinn’s SJW disciples are agitating for silencing the right and switching to socialism. Zinn’s disciples have taken over education and media and are taking his victim’s version of revisionist history to the limit by attacking everything traditionally American on every front. Yet pointing that out earns me a lecture on book sales and speech rights. Like I’m the threat, by pointing out the obvious while advocating no particular action.

Truly some Twilight Zone level shit going on around here.

Who said you were a threat?

I don't necessarily subscribe to Zinn's views, but he wasn't a communist, he wasn't a traitor, and the book he wrote is not even controversial, it's not Mein Kampf, it's not the Communist Manifesto, it's a run o' the mill history book.

[DBTrek]

It’s not a run of the mill history book because it cherry picks data to falsely discredit nearly all historical work done previously. It’s an indoctrination manual more than a historical text, as evidenced by the hyperbole, weak citations, and dedication to excluding any evidence contrary to the desired narrative. It shouldn’t take a history degree for folks to realize you don’t write history by cherry picking everything that coincides with your socio-political views and excluding or vilifying the rest. That’s not history. That’s ideology masquerading as history.

[Speaker to Animals]

It’s like I left a trail of dum-dum crumbs for the retards to follow me with their sniping. Zinn’s book isn’t an honest treatment of history, but it’s widely adopted throughout academia as the go-to history text. I’m glad you two aren’t bothered by it. You both seem extremely bothered by the fruits it has produced, through its highly dishonest but focused socialist messaging.

Most history books advance some ideology or socio-political argument. You just do not agree with this one. Neither do I.

[DBTrek]

Everything created by humans has human bias. Some things are created solely to advance that bias while masquerading as something else. A People’s History of the United States is written solely for the purpose of advancing Democratic Socialist, identity politic, class warfare talking points while pretending to be a historical text.

That’s fine, but it’s not the same thing as saying Will Durant’s Brief History of Civilization is seen through the lens of a white guy repeating the words of other white guys. That’s true, but it’s not written solely for the purpose of advancing “white guy” agenda while discrediting and/or ignoring any competing views or facts. It has bias, but it’s purpose isn’t to advance bias.

[Smitty-48]

It’s not a run of the mill history book because it cherry picks data to falsely discredit nearly all historical work done previously. It’s an indoctrination manual more than a historical text, as evidenced by the hyperbole, weak citations, and dedication to excluding any evidence contrary to the desired narrative. It shouldn’t take a history degree for folks to realize you don’t write history by cherry picking everything that coincides with your socio-political views and excluding or vilifying the rest. That’s not history. That’s ideology masquerading as history.

I didn't say you had to like the book, but most history books have an ideological angle, and I have ideological angle myself, so I'm not opposed to that.

I am indeed an anti-communist, I would have flipped the switch to zap Julius Rosenberg, but I don't put Zinn in that category. If he was a secret communist traitor, I'm quite sure Hoover would have nailed him.

[DBTrek]

I’m just calling a spade a spade here. A People’s History isn’t history. It’s politics.

[Smitty-48]

I’m just calling a spade a spade here. A People’s History isn’t history. It’s politics.

Fair enough. I agree with that, but I'm not opposed to politics, and I still respect Zinn for doing his duty, in what was an extremely dangerous and dirty job in World War Two.

[DrYouth]

A is for Activist...

That shit gets me mad.

Dude, that's your peeps, what are you, throwing your Kneepippers under the bus now?

Oh ya...

They are under the bus.

The cult of Gaia has deep tentacles and must be struggled against lest it burn all it's own children.

I have no problem with Gaia herself... she is a fine divinity... but her cult is out of control and out of balance.

[DBTrek]

... Through Zinn’s looking-glass, Maoist China, site of history’s bloodiest state-sponsored killings, becomes “the closest thing, in the long history of that ancient country, to a people’s government, independent of outside control.” The authoritarian Nicaraguan Sandinistas were “welcomed” by their own people, while the opposition Contras, who backed the candidate that triumphed when free elections were finally held, were a “terrorist group” that “seemed to have no popular support inside Nicaragua.” Castro’s Cuba, readers learn, “had no bloody record of suppression.”

The recently released updated edition continues to be plagued with inaccuracies and poor judgment. The added sections on the Clinton years, the 2000 election, and 9/11 bear little resemblance to the reality his current readers have lived through.

In an effort to bolster his arguments against putting criminals in jail, aggressive law enforcement tactics, and President Clinton’s crime bill, Zinn contends that in spite of all this “violent crime continues to increase.” It doesn’t. Like much of Zinn’s rhetoric, if you believe the opposite of what he says in this instance you would be correct. According to a Department of Justice report released in September of 2002, the violent crime rate has been cut in half since 1993.

According to Zinn, it was Mumia Abu-Jamal’s “race and radicalism,” as well as his “persistent criticism of the Philadelphia police” that landed him on death row in the early 1980s. Nothing about Abu-Jamal’s gun being found at the scene; nothing about the testimony of numerous witnesses pointing to him as the triggerman; nothing about additional witnesses reporting a confession by Abu-Jamal—it was Abu-Jamal’s dissenting voice that caused a jury of twelve to unanimously sentence him to death.

Predictably, Zinn draws a moral equivalence between America and the 9/11 terrorists. He writes, “It seemed that the United States was reacting to the horrors perpetrated by the terrorists against innocent people in New York by killing other innocent people in Afghanistan.” Scare quotes adorn Bush’s “war on terrorism,” post-9/11 “patriotism,” and other words and phrases Zinn dislikes. ...

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1493

“History”.
Anyway, fuck Zinn.
He’s made a mint by lambasting and lying about the country which has facilitated his great success. Nothing new there. But as usual, the credit for greatness lies with America and the system that embraces free expression, dissent, and outright lies, not the doofus that lined their pockets by talking shit about it.

[Smitty-48]

A is for Activist...

That shit gets me mad.

Dude, that's your peeps, what are you, throwing your Kneepippers under the bus now?

Oh ya...

They are under the bus.

The cult of Gaia has deep tentacles and must be struggled against lest it burn all it's own children.

I have no problem with Gaia herself... she is a fine divinity... but her cult is out of control and out of balance.

What does "Gaia" mean? I'm not familiar with your lefty memes.