Minimum Wage Sucks Because

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Re: Minimum Wage Sucks Because

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed May 03, 2017 10:42 am

Martin Hash wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:If you run the society to a bizarre point where your businesses feel fine about paying minimum wage for back-breaking labor, and the government is paying more for them to stay home, then they'll stay the fuck home. What do now? Hire some illegals. More of them show up, when there's more work for them. If the work isn't there, they'll stay home.
WTF?! (Do you even read what you're saying?)

Businesses pay low wages BECAUSE THEY CAN. And they CAN because of ILLEGALS.
Chicken vs. Egg.

I happen to believe that the wages came first (based on reality), while others insist that it was the illegals (based on Faux Noise and hype). Whatevs, homie.
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Re: Minimum Wage Sucks Because

Post by Martin Hash » Wed May 03, 2017 10:47 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:If you run the society to a bizarre point where your businesses feel fine about paying minimum wage for back-breaking labor, and the government is paying more for them to stay home, then they'll stay the fuck home. What do now? Hire some illegals. More of them show up, when there's more work for them. If the work isn't there, they'll stay home.
WTF?! (Do you even read what you're saying?)

Businesses pay low wages BECAUSE THEY CAN. And they CAN because of ILLEGALS.
Chicken vs. Egg.

I happen to believe that the wages came first (based on reality), while others insist that it was the illegals (based on Faux Noise and hype). Whatevs, homie.
Simple Market Economics: excess labor in one area drives down wages in all areas. Get rid of Illegals, low-end wages would go up everywhere, they'd have to meet demand. Picking strawberries is a BITCH, I bet those wages go up significantly, (or more likely, drive strawberry growers away through "Free" Trade.)

Still, there would be some wages that would stay low because the job just isn't worth doing for higher wages. Still a job though, and if you believe in teaching Work Ethic, then better a private employer than government having to supply the job. Government is a TERRIBLE teacher of Work Ethic.
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Re: Minimum Wage Sucks Because

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed May 03, 2017 10:49 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:If you run the society to a bizarre point where your businesses feel fine about paying minimum wage for back-breaking labor, and the government is paying more for them to stay home, then they'll stay the fuck home. What do now? Hire some illegals. More of them show up, when there's more work for them. If the work isn't there, they'll stay home.
WTF?! (Do you even read what you're saying?)

Businesses pay low wages BECAUSE THEY CAN. And they CAN because of ILLEGALS.
Chicken vs. Egg.

I happen to believe that the wages came first (based on reality), while others insist that it was the illegals (based on Faux Noise and hype). Whatevs, homie.

Having taken macroeconomics in college, I happen to believe in the law of supply and demand.

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Re: Minimum Wage Sucks Because

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed May 03, 2017 11:01 am

Martin Hash wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Martin Hash wrote: WTF?! (Do you even read what you're saying?)

Businesses pay low wages BECAUSE THEY CAN. And they CAN because of ILLEGALS.
Chicken vs. Egg.

I happen to believe that the wages came first (based on reality), while others insist that it was the illegals (based on Faux Noise and hype). Whatevs, homie.
Simple Market Economics: excess labor in one area drives down wages in all areas. Get rid of Illegals, low-end wages would go up everywhere, they'd have to meet demand. Picking strawberries is a BITCH, I bet those wages go up significantly, (or more likely, drive strawberry growers away through "Free" Trade.)

Still, there would be some wages that would stay low because the job just isn't worth doing for higher wages. Still a job though, and if you believe in teaching Work Ethic, then better a private employer than government having to supply the job. Government is a TERRIBLE teacher of Work Ethic.
You're not discussing cause anymore, you're looking for a solution. And the market is NOT that simple.

I think a better answer would be for the banksters to stop manipulating food and labor prices to a point where this is necessary. Why don't small family farms exist anymore? Because nobody can make a living without 100+ acres. We all know that this won't happen, and we know that businesses won't suddenly start paying normal wages again, so we either automate, or shut off the supply of illegals (which won't work), and hope REALLY REALLY HARD that Americans suddenly have a desire to work like dogs for $5/hr.

What's that, they won't do it? Fine, now we need to slash welfare to the ground. Get those lazy animals back to work! Now we can all continue to enjoy our cheap veggies, and as a bonus, watch families starving in the streets! MURKA!!
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Re: Minimum Wage Sucks Because

Post by Martin Hash » Wed May 03, 2017 11:06 am

I'm not quite following your logic. Interest rates are too low, meaning people borrow too much. Banks should raise their interest rates. Somehow we're in a situation that a consumer pays 24% interest on CC debt but only receives .2% interest on money they have on deposit. We are a society that encourages debt so that the 1% prosper. Though that is bad, how do you tie it in with low wages? You're making things more complicated than they need to be in an attempt to justify your ideological position on Illegals.
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Re: Minimum Wage Sucks Because

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed May 03, 2017 11:15 am

Martin Hash wrote:I'm not quite following your logic. Interest rates are too low, meaning people borrow too much. Banks should raise their interest rates. Somehow we're in a situation that a consumer pays 24% interest on CC debt but only receives .2% interest on money they have on deposit. We are a society that encourages debt so that the 1% prosper. Though that is bad, how do you tie it in with low wages? You're making things more complicated than they need to be in an attempt to justify your ideological position on Illegals.
No, silly guy. It's all part of the mass rape of our economy that's been happening for decades.

Banksters tell government what to de-regulate, congress removes the phallus from their mouths for a few seconds, signs the order, and resumes.
This is why we have monstrous corn subsidies, which ran everyone out of farming, created the flight to urban life and the waiting arms of manufacturing. Now the manufacturers are out of things to make, because we haven't had a world war for a while now, and the people are left to starve in the urban cores.

Meanwhile, the rural farming conglomerates, still riding their subsidies, have to increase profits each quarter, so they slash wages to below minimum. Wal-mart cheers, we have $.02 strawberries, and nobody wants to pick them. Illegals are hired, shipped over by the companies themselves, in massive numbers, in cooperation with the Mexican government.

Now there's nothing for natives to fucking do but starve, so they blame the illegals for ruining everything - exactly according to plan. Meanwhile, Monsanto quietly chews your fucking lunch.

It has next to nothing to do with interest rates - it's all the shit that's flowing behind the scenes that's ruined our collective economy.
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Re: Minimum Wage Sucks Because

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Re: Minimum Wage Sucks Because

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed May 03, 2017 11:26 am

Yes, there ya go. Ignore everything else, it's all just black and white. 2 colors.

Exactly according to plan.
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Re: Minimum Wage Sucks Because

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed May 03, 2017 11:28 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Yes, there ya go. Ignore everything else, it's all just black and white. 2 colors.

Exactly according to plan.

If you flood the labor market with workers, wages fall. This is basic economics, dude. You can't escape it without rent controls. That's what minimum wage actually is.

If we shut down immigration for a generation, and kicked out the illegals and visa holders, then I think we could eventually limit minimum wage to just dealing with kids. Our society is flushing down a toilet because of immigration and no amount of hand-waving can hide the fact any longer.

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Re: Minimum Wage Sucks Because

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed May 03, 2017 11:30 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Yes, there ya go. Ignore everything else, it's all just black and white. 2 colors.

Exactly according to plan.

If you flood the labor market with workers, wages fall. This is basic economics, dude. You can't escape it without rent controls. That's what minimum wage actually is.

If we shut down immigration for a generation, and kicked out the illegals and visa holders, then I think we could eventually limit minimum wage to just dealing with kids. Our society is flushing down a toilet because of immigration and no amount of hand-waving can hide the fact any longer.
... you mean after the third world starves, and food skyrockets to $30/cheeseburger, and welfare is slashed to get people into the fields, and whatever-is-left of our economy and society lurches back to life?
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