You Want to Drug Test Welfare Recipients?

[Okeefenokee]

So begging on the street to feed your kids is a valid option? Living in your car as well?

You could always, you know, not blow money on dope while you're fucking broke and getting assistance from other taxpayers. That's another option.

This fucking entitlement mindset is ludicrous. You're talking about the government taking your money at the point of a gun and giving it to someone else so he can buy dope. It's asinine.

I've read about the ROI Kath's talking about. It could be true. I'm skeptical as it's mostly been small scale pilot tests that could easily have been nudged in the right direction to keep the bennies coming.

It's no longer my problem what they do with it, and what they suffer, once the opportunity has been provided. I don't have to watch people starve and feel bad for not doing anything, because I know that they've been given a small piece of my taxes, to provide. If they fuck up anyway and live in hell, it's not my problem.

And for every piece of filth blowing his checks on lotto tickets, there are a dozen families that have food in their bellies. Looking at the extremes does not paint a balanced picture, no matter how righteous your anger. Get over it.

You're assuming that the existence of welfare is a foregone conclusion. You're also acting as though welfare is something which people are entitled to.

Wrong on both counts.

You don't start with, "Well they're gonna get the welfare anyway," because that's an assumption that isn't true. We're twenty trillion in debt and the welfare is going to stop eventually, and it's going to be welfare that kills welfare. Defense spending is 16% of the budget. Entitlements are over 60%.

And you can drop the good Samaritan routine. You aren't feeding the poor. You're paying taxes on penalty of jail just like the rest of us, and if you had the option, you wouldn't.

[K@th]

Are you in favor of corporate welfare, Okee? Because that's way more expensive.

[Speaker to Animals]

Drug testing in general is a complete waste of energy. A holdover from our Puritan ancestors.

Doing it to welfare recipients is even stupider. It's an effort to remove agency from fellow citizens because they're too poor to achieve full citizenship rights. The entire concept is ridiculous and un-American. Do you expect your neighbors and friends to be randomly drug tested? Would this not violate the final shreds of the 4th Amendment?

No. It's an acknowledgement that a lot of these people can't feed their kids because of their own poor life choices, such as drug abuse. If you are not disabled, elderly, etc., and you need money from society to feed your kids, then it's definitely not a lot to ask that you stop spending money on stupid, discretionary commodities like drugs. Don't come to me saying you need me to give you hundreds of dollars each month to buy food and then spend hundreds of dollars per month on drugs..

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Being a shitty parent isn't the exclusive property of the poor.

There is no moral component to economic success.

[DrYouth]

R U saying drug testing is a deterrent?
R U saying drug testing is vengeance?
R U saying drug testing is rehabilitative?
R U saying drug testing is protecting society?
Those are the only valid reasons for penalties.

The funniest part is Hash's style in this OP.

R U mad bro?

Isn't Marty in his 60s?

[Mercury]

Do they still have government cheese?

If I remember right, the poor used to receive surplus goods as staples rather than $$. Maybe this was better than how they do it now...

The cheese was pretty good.

[Speaker to Animals]

Being a shitty parent isn't the exclusive property of the poor.

There is no moral component to economic success.

Completely irrelevant point.

If I come to you and ask you to give me 200.00 each month in order that I not starve to death, and then you find out I am spending that much each month on video games and whatever other discretionary spending item, you wouldn't be the slightest bit pissed?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Being a shitty parent isn't the exclusive property of the poor.

There is no moral component to economic success.

Completely irrelevant point.

If I come to you and ask you to give me 200.00 each month in order that I not starve to death, and then you find out I am spending that much each month on video games and whatever other discretionary spending item, you wouldn't be the slightest bit pissed?

If you asked me for 200.00 because you needed help, whether or not I gave it to you wouldn't be based on my assessment of your morality.

[pineapplemike]

And for every piece of filth blowing his checks on lotto tickets, there are a dozen families that have food in their bellies. Looking at the extremes does not paint a balanced picture, no matter how righteous your anger. Get over it.

Hey I'm with you GCF, I think it starts to get into Constitutional territory, and ultimately is a drop of water in the ocean of government waste.

But it also makes people into entitled little freebie bitches, and that ain't a long term strategy either. Seeing generational welfare and teenagers coming up into it, unnecessarily depending on it, was depressing

[Speaker to Animals]

This isn't about an assessment of morality. This is about fueling the very behavior that led to these people needing things like food assistance in the first place.