Monte Hall Hoax

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Re: Monte Hall Hoax

Post by Fife » Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:28 am

Get out of here with your Rasputin-level mysticism mumbo-jumbo, Math-Nerd.

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Re: Monte Hall Hoax

Post by Martin Hash » Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:32 am

DBTrek wrote:
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All I wanted to do was prove there was a god and get famous.
There is.
But apparently he doesn't want you to be famous this time around.
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Maybe expound on your hemoglobin theory. Why is hemoglobin less likely to exist in a godless reality?
I've never heard the argument.
I've done the hemoglobin one at least twice in MM, and lots of other times in online discussions: even computer scientist's eyes glaze over. The "irreducible complexity" well has been poisoned.
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Re: Monte Hall Hoax

Post by Fife » Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:33 am

Both Hemoglobin and Number Theory give us a glimpse of God. Through a glass darkly, as it were.

That's why they are both so beautiful. Thoughtful people also get some laughs out of the blockheadedness of atheists. So there's that. :dance:

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Re: Monte Hall Hoax

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:46 am

Fife wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:33 am
Both Hemoglobin and Number Theory give us a glimpse of God. Through a glass darkly, as it were.

That's why they are both so beautiful. Thoughtful people also get some laughs out of the blockheadedness of atheists. So there's that. :dance:
Ok, I’m curious.
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Re: Monte Hall Hoax

Post by Martin Hash » Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:04 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:46 am
Fife wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:33 am
Both Hemoglobin and Number Theory give us a glimpse of God. Through a glass darkly, as it were.

That's why they are both so beautiful. Thoughtful people also get some laughs out of the blockheadedness of atheists. So there's that. :dance:
Ok, I’m curious.
Here's the first time I trot it out: Central Dogma My argument got better as time went by; I focused more on how the computer-like aspects of ribosomes create an irreducible complexity. (There are few viable in-between hemoglobin stages so evolution is not possible.)
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Re: Monte Hall Hoax

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:18 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:04 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:46 am
Fife wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:33 am
Both Hemoglobin and Number Theory give us a glimpse of God. Through a glass darkly, as it were.

That's why they are both so beautiful. Thoughtful people also get some laughs out of the blockheadedness of atheists. So there's that. :dance:
Ok, I’m curious.
Here's the first time I trot it out: Central Dogma My argument got better as time went by; I focused more on how the computer-like aspects of ribosomes create an irreducible complexity. (There are few viable in-between hemoglobin stages so evolution is not possible.)
Well, given that we just discovered and named this process a moment ago, I wouldn’t expect to understand how it all came into being.

But just to play with the idea, you’re positing that evolution couldn’t have produced any sort of ‘in-between’ stage to this process.

A brief visit to Wikipedia lays out the hypothesis:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribosome
The ribosome may have first originated in an RNA world, appearing as a self-replicating complex that only later evolved the ability to synthesize proteins when amino acids began to appear.[59] Studies suggest that ancient ribosomes constructed solely of rRNA could have developed the ability to synthesize peptide bonds.[60][61][62] In addition, evidence strongly points to ancient ribosomes as self-replicating complexes, where the rRNA in the ribosomes had informational, structural, and catalytic purposes because it could have coded for tRNAs and proteins needed for ribosomal self-replication.[63] Hypothetical cellular organisms with self-replicating RNA but without DNA are called ribocytes (or ribocells).[64][65]
RNA World: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world

The RNA world is a hypothetical stage in the evolutionary history of life on Earth, in which self-replicating RNA molecules proliferated before the evolution of DNA and proteins. The term also refers to the hypothesis that posits the existence of this stage.
I won’t claim to understand all of that, but as a general rule, lack of understanding doesn’t demand a supernatural answer. We’ve done this ever since thunderstorms and comets in the sky.
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Re: Monte Hall Hoax

Post by Martin Hash » Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:49 am

It's hemoglobin that has few, if any in humans, intermediate stages. How ribosomes work is where the odds against it forming spontaneously come from.
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Re: Monte Hall Hoax

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:37 am

Martin Hash wrote:
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Red Hat?

Is that a MAGA thing, or an open software thing, or something my normie google-search doesn't understand?
It took a while but I found it: Red Hat motto (you need to click the "Authentic" tab.)
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I actually googled "Red Hat" because I didn't understand what that meant, and the software company came up. I immediately thought, "well, that can't be it - what the hell am I missing?" Then I went full conspiracy theory, and thought that 'red hat' was some deep, dark-web shit that google wouldn't show me.

Turns out - it was the software company. Perils of lazy investigation!

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Re: Monte Hall Hoax

Post by doc_loliday » Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:42 am

A lawyer schooling a bunch of nerds in a math problem. I love it.

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Re: Monte Hall Hoax

Post by Martin Hash » Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:22 am

doc_loliday wrote:
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A lawyer schooling a bunch of nerds in a math problem. I love it.
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