Unite the Right

[DBTrek]

He's conflating alt-right and non-Marxist.

yep.

I'm not conflating anything. I'm posing questions and making observations which are open for debate. Understandably, you both are confounded by that.

[Smitty-48]

I mean, if you look at the Founding Fathers, even though they were inherently white supremacist, they didn't actually put it in the constitution, instead what they did was simply leave citizenship out, citizenship was a function of land ownership, they were a landed gentry, blacks weren't even persons at the time, so there was no need to include a clause that said that they were not citizens, they didn't think of the slaves as being Americans at all, so they didn't think it needed to be stated in the document.

It's like white supremacy was so all ecompassing at the time, nobody felt like it needed to be codified, it was just taken to be a given.

[Fife]

What makes alt-righters think they're winning the middle, I wonder. Obviously the media narrative is rock-solid leftist, so there's no one in the MSM doing anything but excoriating them. The most vocal people I see on social media (aka people who have the time to sit at home and post to twitter and FB all day) are non-stop rallying against them. And now, the GOP, including former presidential candidates are disavowing and condemning them.

Yet in here there's this non-stop parade of "Look at the tide turn, look at us winning, look at all the advances we're making!"

Is it just optimism and kool-aid drinking that's fueling this sentiment, or is there a metric you all are tracking that I'm missing?

By American standards, everything appears to have shifted to the left, the Democrats are further left, but now the Republicans, via protectionist/interventionist impulses have also gone left, the Alt Right seems to be a euphemism for a leftward shift, I thought the whole point of the Alt Right was that they were monarchical, harkening back to an antidemocratic West that was ruled by Popes and Princes, like Nergol, to me he was the DCF Alt Rightie, but the Nukedog variant is basically just National Socialist, which in the end, is just socialism for Whitey.

Wow, I haven't thought of Nergol in a bit; he was a hardcore rightie.

You're dead-on-balls-accurate that Nukedog is just a mainstream, boring Marxist. Gibs.

[DBTrek]

I didn't say they were fantastic people. The point I made was about the implosion of the democratic party. You are trying to deflect again.

I'm not deflecting anything. Jesus, you clowns have a magical bag of holding full of buzzwords you pull out every time you want to talk but have nothing to say.

Let's go with the implosion of the democratic party. Let's make the unfounded assumption that this isn't another repetition of the endless cycle of power that sees D's/R's waxing or waning in power over time. The democrats are done, and now the leftists are in the streets, in the corporate boardrooms, in the media, and fully advancing their aims and agenda without control of a single branch of government. Yet even without government control they manage to remove statues, silence the opposition, block immigration orders of the president, fire people for wrong-think, and spam the populace with their worldview via MSM and social media.

Meanwhile, "the right" has all three branches of government, and inexplicably can't pass even the most basic bits of their supposed agenda.

How is the implosion of the democratic party helping the right?

[Smitty-48]

What makes alt-righters think they're winning the middle, I wonder. Obviously the media narrative is rock-solid leftist, so there's no one in the MSM doing anything but excoriating them. The most vocal people I see on social media (aka people who have the time to sit at home and post to twitter and FB all day) are non-stop rallying against them. And now, the GOP, including former presidential candidates are disavowing and condemning them.

Yet in here there's this non-stop parade of "Look at the tide turn, look at us winning, look at all the advances we're making!"

Is it just optimism and kool-aid drinking that's fueling this sentiment, or is there a metric you all are tracking that I'm missing?

By American standards, everything appears to have shifted to the left, the Democrats are further left, but now the Republicans, via protectionist/interventionist impulses have also gone left, the Alt Right seems to be a euphemism for a leftward shift, I thought the whole point of the Alt Right was that they were monarchical, harkening back to an antidemocratic West that was ruled by Popes and Princes, like Nergol, to me he was the DCF Alt Rightie, but the Nukedog variant is basically just National Socialist, which in the end, is just socialism for Whitey.

Wow, I haven't thought of Nergol in a bit; he was a hardcore rightie.

You're dead-on-balls-accurate that Nukedog is just a mainstream, boring Marxist. Gibs.

Indeed, instead of a left v. right thing going on down there, what you got is the nationalist left v. the internationalist left, Nazis v. Commies, nary a conservative amongst them.

[Fife]

I didn't say they were fantastic people. The point I made was about the implosion of the democratic party. You are trying to deflect again.

I'm not deflecting anything. Jesus, you clowns have a magical bag of holding full of buzzwords you pull out every time you want to talk but have nothing to say.

Let's go with the implosion of the democratic party. Let's make the unfounded assumption that this isn't another repetition of the endless cycle of power that sees D's/R's waxing or waning in power over time. The democrats are done, and now the leftists are in the streets, in the corporate boardrooms, in the media, and fully advancing their aims and agenda without control of a single branch of government. Yet even without government control they manage to remove statues, silence the opposition, block immigration orders of the president, fire people for wrong-think, and spam the populace with their worldview via MSM and social media.

Meanwhile, "the right" has all three branches of government, and inexplicably can't pass even the most basic bits of their supposed agenda.

How is the implosion of the democratic party helping the right?

Here comes what I think is an entirely reasonable request >>>


What does "the right" mean in the context of your last post?

(I say that nowadays, "the right" is just a construct of the state (just like "the left")).

Define "the right," if you please.

[DBTrek]

[Smitty-48]

I say that nowadays, "the right" is just a construct of the state just like "the left"

Basically. It's the left and right wings of the Left, the Right is now driven so far to the margins, it's barely there, it's basically just a little sliver of a spectrum which is totally dominated by various iterations of leftist dogma. There's a bunch of different communes, but no crown at all.

[ssu]

Indeed. Republicans have all the power, and have consistently failed to do something as simple as repeal the ACA - a platform they crowed about for seven solid years.
Which makes it look like what?
Like the left is winning everywhere it matters.

Well, Trump here is so inept.

People can go into these insane conspiracies about everybody being against Trump, but the simple reason is that he just fucks things up. Somehow he has this abilty to just make himself things worse for him, when it should be really easy to avoid the pitfalls. Democrats don't have to do anything else but just sit back and watch Trump dig his own hole deeper.

By American standards, everything appears to have shifted to the left, the Democrats are further left, but now the Republicans, via protectionist/interventionist impulses have also gone left, the Alt Right seems to be a euphemism for a leftward shift, I thought the whole point of the Alt Right was that they were monarchical, harkening back to an antidemocratic West that was ruled by Popes and Princes, like Nergol, to me he was the DCF Alt Rightie, but the Nukedog variant is basically just National Socialist, which in the end, is just socialism for Whitey.

Good to remind people that nazis are leftist. Nationalsocialists, who basically just hate Communism because it's too close to them (just like true communists worst enemy is a socialist).

Beyond me why Trump thinks that only looking out for the support of the Nukedogs of America will win him. Far too strange 4-D chess for me. At least Nuke is happy.

[Fife]

OK, that's moron bait, and I know that you are just making a gag, but if you're willing to adopt that graphic as your raison d'etre, we'll use that as the definition. Just let me know.