Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

[C-Mag]

@ Hanarchy
We are clearly seeing this differently, which is cool. Good discussion. I'm not one for 20 page strings arguing with someone, so let's re engage down the road after more facts are established.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

(I also worry that #memo is actually damaging civilian control over the IC by making the IC less likely to share their intel with oversight committees, now that they have broken one of the contracts that has long held between civilian oversight and the cloak and dagger portion of our government, namely, that they won't go blabbing all over town about where exactly the daggers are hidden under the cloak.)

I'm enjoying the back and forth between you and Carlus but I need to interject on this point- the IC already withholds intel from oversight committees and the contract you're referencing has long been broken. I offer this article from 2013, just after the NSA scandal broke:

Members of Congress denied access to basic information about NSA
Documents provided by two House members demonstrate how they are blocked from exercising any oversight over domestic surveillance
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ied-access

From the beginning of the NSA controversy, the agency's defenders have insisted that Congress is aware of the disclosed programs and exercises robust supervision over them. "These programs are subject to congressional oversight and congressional reauthorization and congressional debate," President Obama said the day after the first story on NSA bulk collection of phone records was published in this space. "And if there are members of Congress who feel differently, then they should speak up."

But members of Congress, including those in Obama's party, have flatly denied knowing about them. On MSNBC on Wednesday night, Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Ct) was asked by host Chris Hayes: "How much are you learning about what the government that you are charged with overseeing and holding accountable is doing from the newspaper and how much of this do you know?" The Senator's reply:

The revelations about the magnitude, the scope and scale of these surveillances, the metadata and the invasive actions surveillance of social media Web sites were indeed revelations to me."

But it is not merely that members of Congress are unaware of the very existence of these programs, let alone their capabilities. Beyond that, members who seek out basic information - including about NSA programs they are required to vote on and FISA court (FISC) rulings on the legality of those programs - find that they are unable to obtain it.

Two House members, GOP Rep. Morgan Griffith of Virginia and Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson of Florida, have provided the Guardian with numerous letters and emails documenting their persistent, and unsuccessful, efforts to learn about NSA programs and relevant FISA court rulings.

"If I can't get basic information about these programs, then I'm not able to do my job", Rep. Griffith told me.

Very true. The Obama administration is complicit in a lot of the damage that has been done to our faith in our own operators. Much of that has to do with the fact that our technology outpaced our laws, but further damaging the relationship between the civilian government and the IC is not going to fix that problem.

Fact is, spies gonna spy, and some spying has to be done from the shadows.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

@ Hanarchy
We are clearly seeing this differently, which is cool. Good discussion. I'm not one for 20 page strings arguing with someone, so let's re engage down the road after more facts are established.

Always a pleasure.

Someone has to watch the watchers, so keep your eye on those vipers, C.

[C-Mag]

@ Hanarchy
We are clearly seeing this differently, which is cool. Good discussion. I'm not one for 20 page strings arguing with someone, so let's re engage down the road after more facts are established.

Always a pleasure.

Someone has to watch the watchers, so keep your eye on those vipers, C.

Hey, we should be finalists in the 2018 Internet Civility Awards.

[Okeefenokee]

Gasing members of your own society for not living up to the ideals of the one true way - Literally Hitler.

Ironically, the handicapped were the first to visit the 'showers' under the Reich. Yet, StA continues to advocated purity.

Thanks, Kathy.

[Okeefenokee]

Nothing bothers the herd until they're spooked. Next financial crisis should do it (coming shortly).

So we've moved on from the global economic collapse immediately following the Trump election now?

Those were hard times. Glad we all made it.

[pineapplemike]

hashtag wiretap

Feds tapped Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's phones
At least one phone call between a phone line associated with Cohen and the White House was intercepted, a source said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... es-n871011

Federal investigators have wiretapped the phone lines of Michael Cohen, the longtime personal lawyer for President Donald Trump who is under investigation for a payment he made to an adult film star who alleged she had an affair with Trump, according to two people with knowledge of the legal proceedings involving Cohen.

It is not clear how long the wiretap has been authorized, but NBC News has learned it was in place in the weeks leading up to the raids on Cohen's offices, hotel room, and home in early April, according to one person with direct knowledge.

[nmoore63]

hashtag wiretap

Feds tapped Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's phones
At least one phone call between a phone line associated with Cohen and the White House was intercepted, a source said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... es-n871011

Federal investigators have wiretapped the phone lines of Michael Cohen, the longtime personal lawyer for President Donald Trump who is under investigation for a payment he made to an adult film star who alleged she had an affair with Trump, according to two people with knowledge of the legal proceedings involving Cohen.

It is not clear how long the wiretap has been authorized, but NBC News has learned it was in place in the weeks leading up to the raids on Cohen's offices, hotel room, and home in early April, according to one person with direct knowledge.

Wiretapping the president seems like one of those things that somebody has to go to prison for.

Either you or them.

Ain't no way you can wiretap the president then not find anything and walk.

[C-Mag]

Wiretapping the president seems like one of those things that somebody has to go to prison for.

Either you or them.

Ain't no way you can wiretap the president then not find anything and walk.

Yeah, I better see some of these bastards doin the perp walk.

Remember that time of innocence so long ago when people gasped with shock and outrage at the mere suggestion that the POTUS' calls were tapped.

[nmoore63]

Wiretapping the president seems like one of those things that somebody has to go to prison for.

Either you or them.

Ain't no way you can wiretap the president then not find anything and walk.

Yeah, I better see some of these bastards doin the perp walk.

Remember that time of innocence so long ago when people gasped with shock and outrage at the mere suggestion that the POTUS' calls were tapped.

Fucking DC.
I wonder if I will live to see our Hadrian.

I.E. a president that never goes to DC as Hadrian never went to Rome.