THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Smitty-48]

More militaristic than the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Royal Uster Constabulary, Gendarmerie Nationale, or Bundesgrenzshutz? The Albanians? Please.

Quite sure GIGN could turn those Albanians into a pink mist, without even breaking a sweat. If the RCMP needed infantry fighting vehicles, DND would provide.

Honestly, the Serbian Police? Bunch of amateurs. That's like giving a BMP to the Michigan Militia.

GN is like SOCOM, GIGN, their JSOC.

Bundesgrenzshutz SEK? GSG9, ever heard of it? The Americans modelled Delta Force on it.

A BMP, against GSG9? Those Serbs wouldn't stand a chance, mate.

If you gave them air support, the French and German police could defeat the Serbian Army, never mind the Serbian Police.

Yeah well, when you talk about GIGN or especially GSG9 or any Western anti-terrorist group, you must remember that the DO follow the instructions and the commands of their leaders. And the political leadership in these countries are (luckily?) quite pacifistic. The GSG9 can put a lot of bullets into a RAF terrorist, but it will raise a lot of debate in the German political leadership. The French can operate quite freely in their past colonies, but in France they are under a microscope in their actions.

Someone like Slobodan Milosevic won't look at things like human rights or what actually the legal system allows when he sent the Special Police into Kosovo. Hence those "policemen" will likely behave more like ordinary infantry. If you see the enemy, you shoot it.

That's the reasoning here.

Well except, if they weren't bullying women and children, the Serbs couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, whereas the French Gendarmerie Nationale is a paramilitary army which could probably depose the Serbian regime by hook or by crook, if you let them take the gloves off.

In terms of operationally militarized police, the British, French and Germans are the best of the best, in France and Germany, the national police are the military, there is no distinction, they are the fourth services, Army, Navy, Airforce, Gendarmes.

In the field, what's the difference between 1er RPIMA and GIGN? GIGN is arguably the more experienced of the two.

In the field, whose more formidable? Fallschirmjager or GSG9? Pretty sure GSG9 would be running circles around the paratroopers.

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Well except, if they weren't bullying women and children, the Serbs couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, whereas the French Gendarmerie Nationale is a paramilitary army which could probably depose the Serbian regime by hook or by crook, if you let them takes the gloves off.

It's not about their combat abilities I'm talking here about. It's basically who the Special Forces units percieve their role themselves.

I think the French Gendarmie Nationale or the Canadian Mounted Police have such high morale and do understand their role as policemen especially when confronted with citizens of their own country. Not ISIS fighters in the Middle East. In a domestic riot or something similar (that isn't similar to combatting ISIS or the Taleban in a far away country) the whole approach is different. They simply would keep in mind things like what are their legal powers and so on. Excessive violence usually tells about lack of training, low moral and basically deep problems in the whole justice system.

You really have to have the attitudes like in Russia or many Third World countries, where there is a totalitarian system behind political power, that can make policemen into soldiers in the blink of an eye and the police forces can leash out massive violent response can happen and go onward like regular infantry attacking an enemy.

[Smitty-48]

Erm, I wouldn't fuck with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Special Emergency Response Team at the beck and call of the Integrated National Security Enforcement Team, those sorts of Mounties are basically recruited straight from JTF2, and under the counterterrorism act, they've got more than enough authority to put you down in the same manner, JTF2 would really only be called in for a large force employment against a wide area objective.

But even the Horsemen of the Line, they're paramilitary, if you go to Depot at Regina, it's not really that different from Paris Island.

[Okeefenokee]

You're both wrong. Everyone knows the American police are the most dreaded force of head hunters on the planet. I hear they eat babies.

[Smitty-48]

It's like the Royal Canadian Navy has their own Maritime Tactical Operations Group, but actually, so do the Mounties...



And tell you what, those Mounties have the way nicer boats, MTOG gets stuck with hand me downs, RCMP gets state o' the art.

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Erm, I wouldn't fuck with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Special Emergency Response Team at the beck and call of the Integrated National Security Enforcement Team, those sorts of Mounties are basically recruited straight from JTF2, and under the counterterrorism act, they've got more than enough authority to put you down in the same manner, JTF2 would really only be called in for a large force employment against a wide area objective.

But even the Horsemen of the Line, they're paramilitary, if you go to Depot at Regina, it's not really that different from Paris Island.

Oh I believe you. But likely they won't use more violence than needed. Yes they could, likely they won't.

And let's not forget that they still will report to this guy.


Somehow I get the feeling he isn't the "Fuck 'em, kill 'em all!" type of leader that unleashes his Special Forces without no limitations on a punitive raid.

[Smitty-48]

Erm, I wouldn't fuck with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Special Emergency Response Team at the beck and call of the Integrated National Security Enforcement Team, those sorts of Mounties are basically recruited straight from JTF2, and under the counterterrorism act, they've got more than enough authority to put you down in the same manner, JTF2 would really only be called in for a large force employment against a wide area objective.

But even the Horsemen of the Line, they're paramilitary, if you go to Depot at Regina, it's not really that different from Paris Island.

Oh I believe you. But likely they won't use more violence than needed. Yes they could, likely they won't.

And let's not forget that they still will report to this guy.


Somehow I get the feeling he isn't the "Fuck 'em, kill 'em all!" type of leader that unleashes his Special Forces without no limitations on a punitive raid.

Wot, the RCMP and the Liberals? Dude, that's the scariest combo of them all, you don't know Justin Trudeau, he's a right vindictive little bastard, if you fuck with the Liberals, they'll crush you, they might have CBC whitewash it all for them, but you'll still be in pieces on the cutting room floor.

The Liberals are the happy smiley faced velvet glove, wrapped around a mailed fist, the Liberals can get away with more than anybody, and after they kill you, they'll sing kumbaya and take some selfies. The whole point of Justin Trudeau, is to sprinkle some sugar on the Mounties seal clubs.

[Smitty-48]

You know who was in that parade marching right behind Trudeau? Chief of the Defence Staff General Jonathan Vance.

Used to be my boss, was my OC, DCO, and then CO, and he is not to be fucked with lightly let me tell you, he's an ornery killer, with a mean streak a mile wide. Good soldier, but best stay on that good side of him, if you dont want to be crushed into a paste.

But there he was, just like Trudeau, smiling and waving and being all nicey wicey, had to laugh about that, don't judge a book by its public face on parade doing PR in front of the cameras. Out of public view, Justin Trudeau is well known for being a tyrant, just like his father before him. Justin Trudeau rules the government with an iron fist which fills Stephen Harper with envy. Only Nixon can go to China, and in Canader, only the Liberals can get away with being tyrants.

Canadian Liberals would never unleash their Praetorians on a punitive raid, gloves off? Tell that to the Indians, they'll set you straight. Tell that to the FLQ, oh wait, you can't, because of course the Trudeau Liberals crushed them out of existence with 20,000 troops, war measures, no limitations "just watch me". And in the wake of it? Trudeau Liberals; more popular than ever.

When I say Canada is a Nanny Police State, Queen Victoria is the Nanny, the Police are the Liberals, and you can't effectively govern this State as Prime Minister, without being a tyrant. Keep the French in, the Indians down, and the Americans out, with as much force as required, up to and including military force as necessary. And funnily enough, that's just how we like it, and always have.

You think Canada is cuddly wuddly smiley wiley nicey wicey? Don't be fooled by the PR, we brook no dissent against this empire, and HM High Brown Strathcona's are at the ready to stomp upon those from a very great height, whoever so try to even rock the boat, never mind capsize it.

The European Gendarmes may be formally the armed forces, but they actually put up with far more boat rocking than we do, we're far quicker to bring the militarized hammer down, with infantry fighting vehicles at the ready. Here we call it the "whole of government" approach, ain't no Posse Comitatus, the police, the military, the intelligence services, all one big national security team working in concert.

If the RCMP requested them, they could have LAV 6's from Gagetown seamlessly and at the drop of a hat, Army crews, Mounties in the back, and a LAV 6 would make short work of a BMP-1, bet dat. If Justin Trudeau ever feels the boat a' rockin, the Mounties could be packing 25x137mm, just like that.

[ssu]

You know who was in that parade marching right behind Trudeau? Chief of the Defence Staff General Jonathan Vance.

Used to be my boss, was my OC, DCO, and then CO, and he is not to be fucked with lightly let me tell you, he's an ornery killer, with a mean streak a mile wide. Good soldier, but best stay on that good side of him, if you dont want to be crushed into a paste.

But there he was, just like Trudeau, smiling and waving and being all nicey wicey, had a laught about that, don't judge a book by its public face on parade doing PR in front of the cameras. Out of public view, Justin Trudeau is well known for being a tyrant, just like his father before him. Justin Trudeau rules the government with an iron fist which fills Stephen Harper with envy.

Only Nixon can go to China, and in Canader, only the Liberals can get away with being tyrants.

Canadian Liberals would never unleash their Praetorians on a punitive raid, gloves off? Tell that to the Indians, they'll set you straight. Tell that to the FLQ, oh wait, you can't, because of course the Trudeau Liberals crushed them out of existence with 20,000 troops, war measures, no limitations "just watch me".

And in the wake of it? Trudeau Liberals; more popular than ever.

When I say Canada is a Nanny Police State, Queen Victoria is the Nanny, the Police are the Liberals, and you can't effectively govern this State as Prime Minister, without being a tyrant.

Keep the French in, the Indians down, and the Americans out, with as much force as required, up to and including military force as necessary. And funnily enough, that's just how we like it, and always have.

You think Canada is cuddly wuddly smiley wiley nicey wicey? Don't be fooled by the PR, we brook no dissent against this empire, and HM High Brown Strathcona's are at the ready to stomp upon those from a very great height, whoever so try to even rock the boat, never mind capsize it.

The European Gendarmes may be formally the armed forces, but they actually put up with far more boat rocking than we do, we're far quicker to bring the militarized hammer down, with infantry fighting vehicles at the ready. Here we call it the "whole of government" approach, ain't no Posse Comitatus, the police, the military, the intelligence services, all one big national security team working in concert.

Don't confuse being smart to being cuddly wuddly smiley wiley nicey wicey. Or that showing restraint is that one lacks the will to fight when confronted with an insurgency.

I would assume that Canadians would deal with an insurgency in a clever way just as the British did with North Ireland during the "Time of Troubles". Perhaps even better. The brilliance of the British start from the fact that nobody other than the IRA themselves called the low intensity conflict an "insurgency", a "war". Because if the Brits had gone to full war, have the RAF bomb IRA held villages, use artillery in the field, call air support if ambushed, that would have been the end of it... for the British. That's the way you contain it. Don't make rash decisions and use excess force that would be undermine your own goals. Like go to full out war from the start and destroy your country like Slobodan did.

So I guess Canadians wouldn't go and round up all the military age men in some village in Canada and shoot all of them. But in Russia it's a great idea. Yep, it works...with casualties perhaps similar to the Yugoslav Civil War and own losses of 20 000+ killed or missing (in two wars). Bravo.


Smartest nations contain a possible insurgency right from the bud. So that they never morph into a popular violent uprising.

[Smitty-48]

But what does all that have to do with the idiotic Officer Friendly fallacy?

Because Officer Friendly v. Officer SWAT, that's all about feelz not the reality, back in the era of Officer Friendly, the police were exponentially less restrained, like sure, they didn't wear camo manjammies, they wore suits and fedoras, but that never stopped them from blowing people away at the drop of a hat with Thompson submachine guns and M1 Garands.

They didn't have armored cars? Sure they did. They never put tanks in the streets? Course they did.

Officer Friendly of the LAPD didn't have his SWAT teams in 1965, and yet he turned Watts into a militarized free fire zone and razed it to the ground.

16,000 Officer Friendlies, all in their police blues with motorcyle helmets on, shooting people on sight just for being in the street, that sounds pretty much how the Russians would do it if you ask me.

Officer Friendly never blew black people away just for looking at him funny? Pretty sure he did, sometimes he even lynched them, and he totally got away with it, never caught it on video back in the day.

Officer Friendly never gunned a bootlegger down, shoot first ask questions after, from the back of an armored car? Officer Freindly did plenty of that too, no video evidence on that neither.

Officer Friendly, was never all that friendly, that's just more nostalgia for an America that never was.