Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

[Montegriffo]

We probably should gas the normies.

Literally Hitler.

[Speaker to Animals]

We probably should gas the normies.

Literally Hitler.

Nah. Hitler used the normies to maintain power. If you manage to control the public approval and shaming process, you can get away with some very evil deeds, like genocide..

Normies are the problem. They form their worldview based on the lugenpresse, and they are more concerned with whether people will approve of their opinions than those opinions being right.

[Montegriffo]

Gasing members of your own society for not living up to the ideals of the one true way - Literally Hitler.

[C-Mag]

Threatening Congressmen that you will illegally spy on them to coerce them to stop performing oversite. Nice. The FBI and DOJ are definitely above reproach.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Great Hanarchy, now were explaining why it's OK for the FBI and DOJ to work with the DNC, Media and Hillary Campaign. Is this really where we want to go with our Investigative Agencies? Where the party in power uses these agencies in conjunction with political parties and hand picked candidates ?


Carter Page is my Fuckin Hero.............. What a Gangsta.
This badass has been under investigation for 5 years by the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. and they can't even get enough on him to arrest him. Holy Cow, it makes me wonder what he did that got him 5 years of surveillance, and how clean he must be not to be in jail............
Really Hanarchy, we should question why the FBI has been investigating Carter Page for 5 years with no results. It reminds me of when dirty cop Bobby Mueller chased the wrong guy for 6 years related to the Anthrax attack.

What the Lawfare post was explaining was that the DNC bias does not automatically undermine the dossier compiled by Steele, because the judges issuing the warrant can assume the there is some bias, and that isn't the only relevant factor. The FBI and DOJ might have a history of reliable information from Steele, or any other number of factors. If you are already convinced that bias is the guiding factor, than of course you will assume that bias drove the whole warrant process, but that doesn't make it so.

Lionizing Page because he didn't get scooped up for anything? As you like, but when someone pops up on the radar for working with foreign powers, the IC will often let them play out for a long time to see if they run further up the flagpole. It is sort of how the intel game works. Making a hero of someone for being just low level enough to be useful but not dangerous by themselves seems like a stretch.

[C-Mag]

Great Hanarchy, now were explaining why it's OK for the FBI and DOJ to work with the DNC, Media and Hillary Campaign. Is this really where we want to go with our Investigative Agencies? Where the party in power uses these agencies in conjunction with political parties and hand picked candidates ?


Carter Page is my Fuckin Hero.............. What a Gangsta.
This badass has been under investigation for 5 years by the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. and they can't even get enough on him to arrest him. Holy Cow, it makes me wonder what he did that got him 5 years of surveillance, and how clean he must be not to be in jail............
Really Hanarchy, we should question why the FBI has been investigating Carter Page for 5 years with no results. It reminds me of when dirty cop Bobby Mueller chased the wrong guy for 6 years related to the Anthrax attack.

What the Lawfare post was explaining was that the DNC bias does not automatically undermine the dossier compiled by Steele, because the judges issuing the warrant can assume the there is some bias, and that isn't the only relevant factor. The FBI and DOJ might have a history of reliable information from Steele, or any other number of factors. If you are already convinced that bias is the guiding factor, than of course you will assume that bias drove the whole warrant process, but that doesn't make it so.

Lionizing Page because he didn't get scooped up for anything? As you like, but when someone pops up on the radar for working with foreign powers, the IC will often let them play out for a long time to see if they run further up the flagpole. It is sort of how the intel game works. Making a hero of someone for being just low level enough to be useful but not dangerous by themselves seems like a stretch.

Not being an ass here Hanarchy, but IMNSHO, if you can't see that the FBI and DOJ went after Trump for political reasons you are not awake. This is far worse than Watergate.

I'm not Lionizing Page so much as I'm questioning why our government is spying on a guy for 5 years but still not bringing any charges. As wrong as this type of thing is, it is pretty normal for the FBI. MLK was spied on for a decade by the FBI.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

@C
There is a lot that falls under the rubric of 'political reasons.'

The fact that he was surrounding himself with people who were on the radar for working with the Russians, and kept making statements about how cozy he was going to be with Putin, and that his finances were somewhat shrouded, but potentially tied to Russian oligarchs are all 'political reasons' for the IC to believe they were totally justified, in fact required, to look into Trump's campaign.

Or, the entire justice department, traditionally conservative, with appointed officials respected by both parties for their dedication to rule of law, is actually part of a DNC conspiracy.

Or, the rest of the American government is suspicious of the outsider, and is biased towards extra scrutiny, which is not outright corruption, but puts the outsiders partisans on the defensive.

These are all potential explanations, but I have zero reason to trust Trump's interpretation of events over anyone else's. He his, after all, a renowned exaggerator, and has outright said that exaggeration is part of his technique for #winning all the time.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Gasing members of your own society for not living up to the ideals of the one true way - Literally Hitler.

Ironically, the handicapped were the first to visit the 'showers' under the Reich. Yet, StA continues to advocated purity.

[C-Mag]

@C
There is a lot that falls under the rubric of 'political reasons.'

The fact that he was surrounding himself with people who were on the radar for working with the Russians, and kept making statements about how cozy he was going to be with Putin, and that his finances were somewhat shrouded, but potentially tied to Russian oligarchs are all 'political reasons' for the IC to believe they were totally justified, in fact required, to look into Trump's campaign.

Or, the entire justice department, traditionally conservative, with appointed officials respected by both parties for their dedication to rule of law, is actually part of a DNC conspiracy.

Or, the rest of the American government is suspicious of the outsider, and is biased towards extra scrutiny, which is not outright corruption, but puts the outsiders partisans on the defensive.

These are all potential explanations, but I have zero reason to trust Trump's interpretation of events over anyone else's. He his, after all, a renowned exaggerator, and has outright said that exaggeration is part of his technique for #winning all the time.

PickingTrump staff to look into Russian ties is selective justice. The Podesta group works with Russia a lot. For that matter, much of the information gathered in the Steele Dossier was gathered from Russian Agents working with Steele. So why is one a Russian Agent and the other not?

I guess where you and I really differ on this is you seem to really trust these Senior Officials in Spy Agencies that spy on Americans. I don't trust these fuckers at all. We know they spied on Congress, they denied, denied, denied until they were caught and then said Sorry, really you spy on Congress and all you have to say is Sorry.

I don't trust them and I don't trust the media telling me how respected and dedicated to the rule of law these guys are. We know Comey lied to Congress when he said he didn't decide Hillary's fate until the investigation was concluded. But in the lead up to the announcement all we heard from the Corporate media is what an honest dick Comey was.

Do you really trust the FBI and the rest of these intel agencies Hanarchy ?

[Montegriffo]

Gasing members of your own society for not living up to the ideals of the one true way - Literally Hitler.

Ironically, the handicapped were the first to visit the 'showers' under the Reich. Yet, StA continues to advocated purity.

Those following the gypsy lifestyle were also amongst the first to be turned into draw string lamps but that doesn't seem to deter Nuke.