Socialism

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clubgop
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Re: Socialism

Post by clubgop » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:49 am

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:47 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:39 am
Taxes aren’t about fairness or equality, they’re to redistribute wealth to the Middle Class.

I’ve mentioned compounding gains and how they concentrate wealth numerous times but no one gets the message.
I think they are redistributing more to lower classes right now.

Anyway, Question:

Do you have an issue with a Flat Tax ?
Do you have a minimum? Because most proposals I see have some sort of cutoff. Like the first 25-30k are tax exempt.

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Re: Socialism

Post by Zlaxer » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:52 am

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:36 am
Flat Rate taxes is the only equal justice under the law Tax System.

One rate for business, one rate for individuals, based on the needs of the budget...………………… ZERO Deductions for all.

Will never happen without a completely new govenrment being installed.....

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Re: Socialism

Post by brewster » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:53 am

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:28 am
Can help for the elderly and sick poor be provided, yes to some degree, but it works best locally.
LOL! That has never worked, you get a race to the bottom as localities try and see how little they can pay, just like schools and public housing across the country.
We are only accustomed to dealing with like twenty online personas at a time so when we only have about ten people some people have to be strawmanned in order to advance our same relative go nowhere nonsense positions. -TheReal_ND

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Re: Socialism

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:54 am

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:36 am
Flat Rate taxes is the only equal justice under the law Tax System.

One rate for business, one rate for individuals, based on the needs of the budget...………………… ZERO Deductions for all.
Disagree. Capitalism by itself will implode and result in communism/socialism if you allow it to accumulate all the wealth.

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Re: Socialism

Post by brewster » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:54 am

brewster wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:53 am
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:28 am
Can help for the elderly and sick poor be provided, yes to some degree, but it works best locally.
LOL! That has never worked, you get a race to the bottom as localities try and see how little they can pay, just like schools and public housing across the country. A low tax Libertarian USA looks like Dickensian England.
We are only accustomed to dealing with like twenty online personas at a time so when we only have about ten people some people have to be strawmanned in order to advance our same relative go nowhere nonsense positions. -TheReal_ND

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Re: Socialism

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:57 am

Flat Tax is the idea that rich people pay too much taxes, and the poor don’t pay enough.

Flat Taxes redistribute wealth in the wrong direction. Rich people have compounding gains, about 7% on average. For every dollar put into circulation, the rich are going to take 7%. The vast majority of people have no savings (outside retirement) so when they put a dollar into circulation through taxation, 7% go to the rich.
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Re: Socialism

Post by Zlaxer » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:58 am

brewster wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:54 am
LOL! That has never worked, you get a race to the bottom as localities try and see how little they can pay, just like schools and public housing across the country. A low tax Libertarian USA looks like Dickensian England.
And what did the USSR and Venezuela look like? Your way always ends in misery and slavery. That is why you have to lie and scheme to get the proles to buy in. It's evil.

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Re: Socialism

Post by C-Mag » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:59 am

clubgop wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:49 am
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:47 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:39 am
Taxes aren’t about fairness or equality, they’re to redistribute wealth to the Middle Class.

I’ve mentioned compounding gains and how they concentrate wealth numerous times but no one gets the message.
I think they are redistributing more to lower classes right now.

Anyway, Question:

Do you have an issue with a Flat Tax ?
Do you have a minimum? Because most proposals I see have some sort of cutoff. Like the first 25-30k are tax exempt.
I would start with what it would take to balance the budget over the net 25 years and see if that is workable...…………………………… it would be a hard pill to swallow and a get right with Jesus moment for Americans.

Gotta have one rate for individuals and one rate for business.
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Re: Socialism

Post by clubgop » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:00 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:57 am
Flat Tax is the idea that rich people pay too much taxes, and the poor don’t pay enough.
Well when the poor effectively pay 0, is that enough?

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Re: Socialism

Post by C-Mag » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:01 pm

brewster wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:53 am
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:28 am
Can help for the elderly and sick poor be provided, yes to some degree, but it works best locally.
LOL! That has never worked, you get a race to the bottom as localities try and see how little they can pay, just like schools and public housing across the country.
Hey, your not promised shit in this world BrewBro. Lifes not fucking fair, we should strive for fairness of opportunity in our society, but fairness of outcome can get Fucked.
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