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Re: North Korea News

Post by StCapps » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:16 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:Americans are done with this shit. Have you seen the disapproval ratings for that Syrian strike? WE. ARE. DONE.
You aren't done with East Asia pal, not by a long shot. If America was as sick of being in East Asia as you were, then Rand Paul would be POTUS and not Donald Trump. But they aren't as pissed about as you, no they actually support it for the most part. The peaceniks are the minority, US troops retreating from Europe or East Asia isn't going to happen anytime soon, America loves war as long as it is a quick and easy victory. Their love may wane temporarily when the US meets a little adversity in war, but that isn't going to lead to the kind of withdrawal from Europe and East Asia that you desire.

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Re: North Korea News

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:22 pm

Trump got a bump from the Syria strike, he went from 40% to 43% overall, with 57% approving of the strike itself, unless and until something bogs down into a quagmire, the POTUS always gets a bump from military action, and more importantly, he changed up the media narrative, Syria strike was good poltics, that always plays well, it's only when flag drapped coffins start coming home is large numbers, where you start to get a backlash, small numbers doesn't matter, troops are still getting killed in Afghanistan, but so few that nobody even notices, so as long as Trump keeps the casualties down, he can go a military adventuring with alacrity, and probably will, the key is just hit and run, don't get bogged down into any one place, lots of military action all over the place, but don't dig in anywhere.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by StCapps » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:27 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:Trump got a bump from the Syria strike, he went from 40 to 43 right after, unless and until something bogs down into a quagmire, the POTUS always gets a bump from military action, and more importantly, he changed up the media narrative, Syria strike was good poltics, that always plays well, it's only when flag drapped coffins start coming home is large numbers, where you start to get a backlash, small numbers doesn't matter, troops are still getting killed in Afghanistan, but so few that nobody even notices, so as long as Trump keeps the casualties down, he can go a military adventuring with alacrity, and probably will, the key is just hit and run, don't get bogged down into any one place, lots of military action all over the place, but don't dig in anywhere.
People on this forum only think it's bad politics because Trump's Syria strike pisses them off and they project their views on the electorate despite the fact that clearly the American electorate see it much differently than they do. They are determined to blame Leviathan for the faults of the populace.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:37 pm

StCapps wrote:People on this forum only think it's bad politics because Trump's Syria strike pisses them off and they project their views on the electorate despite the fact that clearly the American electorate see it much differently than they do. They are determined to blame Leviathan for the faults of the populace.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by StCapps » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:45 pm

On top of that Trump torpedoes the Putin puppet narrative and increased negotiation leverage with China regarding NK with the strike in Syria. It's obvious the Syria strike is helping Trump a whole lot more than it's hurting him politically speaking.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:53 pm

If Mr.Ivan takes it lying down and doesn't hit back with some sort of provocation of his own at the time and place of his choosing, then Trump has also suceeded in making Putin look like his bitch, Trump doesn't actually have to depose Assad or anything like that, he just has to be more Putin than Putin in the phony war, beat Putin at his own game.
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Post by StCapps » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:07 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:If Mr.Ivan takes it lying down and doesn't hit back with some sort of provocation of his own at the time and place of his choosing, then Trump has also suceeded in making Putin look like his bitch, Trump doesn't actually have to depose Assad or anything like that, he just has to be more Putin than Putin in the phony war, beat Putin at his own game.
Yeah if Putin backs down and doesn't retaliate, than this is a huge win for Trump politically speaking, even more so abroad than at home. As it stands in the Putin v Trump game, Trump currently has the initiative barring a response from Mr. Ivan.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:12 pm

Thing is, right now, the Russians are hoping they can get Trump to drop the Crimea sanctions, so they are likely to keep their powder dry, if Trump didn't drop the sanctions and the Russians were convinced that he wasn't so friendly after all, that's where they would have to decide whether or not to up the ante in order to apply pressure, create a crisis in order to bring the US to the table for quid pro quo.

If the sacntions are not lifted, long term, that's where Putin will be in peril, domestically speaking, so that's where I'd look for him to get more desperate and so more agressive in turn.
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Post by doc_loliday » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:35 pm

StCapps wrote:You aren't done with East Asia pal, not by a long shot. If America was as sick of being in East Asia as you were, then Rand Paul would be POTUS and not Donald Trump. But they aren't as pissed about as you, no they actually support it for the most part. The peaceniks are the minority, US troops retreating from Europe or East Asia isn't going to happen anytime soon, America loves war as long as it is a quick and easy victory. Their love may wane temporarily when the US meets a little adversity in war, but that isn't going to lead to the kind of withdrawal from Europe and East Asia that you desire.

YOU. ARE. STAYING.
Trump is going to get us out of the middle east, and make jobs come back, and restore our civil liberties, and build a wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it, and it's going to be beautiful!
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Re: North Korea News

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:36 pm

doc_loliday wrote:
StCapps wrote:You aren't done with East Asia pal, not by a long shot. If America was as sick of being in East Asia as you were, then Rand Paul would be POTUS and not Donald Trump. But they aren't as pissed about as you, no they actually support it for the most part. The peaceniks are the minority, US troops retreating from Europe or East Asia isn't going to happen anytime soon, America loves war as long as it is a quick and easy victory. Their love may wane temporarily when the US meets a little adversity in war, but that isn't going to lead to the kind of withdrawal from Europe and East Asia that you desire.

YOU. ARE. STAYING.
Trump is going to get us out of the middle east, and make jobs come back, and restore our civil liberties, and it's going to be beautiful!
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