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[SuburbanFarmer]

Of course they aren't, and those are some pretty looking blocks from capital cities. You really want to pretend that the rest of Ethiopia looks like that? Believe it or not, having a cell phone does not make people wealthy anymore.

My point was that, while they didn't have cellphones there was no large part of the world so vastly behind the others in wealth, and certainly not so destitute that they felt a need to destroy their land for profit.

See: South America, Africa, India, etc.

[Okeefenokee]

Of course they aren't, and those are some pretty looking blocks from capital cities. You really want to pretend that the rest of Ethiopia looks like that? Believe it or not, having a cell phone does not make people wealthy anymore.

My point was that, while they didn't have cellphones there was no large part of the world so vastly behind the others in wealth, and certainly not so destitute that they felt a need to destroy their land for profit.

See: South America, Africa, India, etc.

yes there was. you're ridiculous. africa was much further behind the developed world a century ago. we had cars, they didn't. we had medicine, they didn't. read a book.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Of course they aren't, and those are some pretty looking blocks from capital cities. You really want to pretend that the rest of Ethiopia looks like that? Believe it or not, having a cell phone does not make people wealthy anymore.

My point was that, while they didn't have cellphones there was no large part of the world so vastly behind the others in wealth, and certainly not so destitute that they felt a need to destroy their land for profit.

See: South America, Africa, India, etc.

yes there was. you're ridiculous. africa was much further behind the developed world a century ago. we had cars, they didn't. we had medicine, they didn't. read a book.

What cars, the Model-fucking-T?

[Okeefenokee]

Of course they aren't, and those are some pretty looking blocks from capital cities. You really want to pretend that the rest of Ethiopia looks like that? Believe it or not, having a cell phone does not make people wealthy anymore.

My point was that, while they didn't have cellphones there was no large part of the world so vastly behind the others in wealth, and certainly not so destitute that they felt a need to destroy their land for profit.

See: South America, Africa, India, etc.

yes there was. you're ridiculous. africa was much further behind the developed world a century ago. we had cars, they didn't. we had medicine, they didn't. read a book.

What cars, the Model-fucking-T?

The Ford Model T was named the most influential car of the 20th century in the 1999 Car of the Century competition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T

Yeah, that one, you fucking loon.

[SuburbanFarmer]

True question: do you really measure national wealth and prosperity by personal gadgets?

[Okeefenokee]

True question: do you really measure national wealth and prosperity by personal gadgets?

You are such a pathetic cuck. The entire modern world is modeled on the modernity of the modern western world. Your simplistic bullshit argument is based on your attempt to take away the importance of modernity. We invented modernity. Modernity is the goal that every nation strives for. The realm of self loathing cuckdom in which you live is a failure. It will never win. It will be subverted, and your ideology will have its face shoved into the mud as its ass is penetrated by the rock hard cock of winning.

Prepare yourself for the ass reaming that you invite. You will never win. Your worship at the altar of subservience will produce nothing more than a slightly increased demand for ass lube.

YOU WILL GET FUCKED.

And you have invited it. No one to blame but yourself. It's over. You lost. Get fucked.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Welp, guess that ends our discussion for tonight. Enjoy your hangover.

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

You are such a pathetic cuck. The entire modern world is modeled on the modernity of the modern western world. Your simplistic bullshit argument is based on your attempt to take away the importance of modernity. We invented modernity. Modernity is the goal that every nation strives for. The realm of self loathing cuckdom in which you live is a failure. It will never win. It will be subverted, and your ideology will have its face shoved into the mud as its ass is penetrated by the rock hard cock of winning.

Prepare yourself for the ass reaming that you invite. You will never win. Your worship at the altar of subservience will produce nothing more than a slightly increased demand for ass lube.

YOU WILL GET FUCKED.

And you have invited it. No one to blame but yourself. It's over. You lost. Get fucked.

Psssst, don't worry about Okee, Grumpy--he'll have class that day.
:snicker:

[Hwen Hoshino]

Orly?



Shoguns, most Chinese dynasties, and certainly the Ottomans/Turks (of the 13th-18th centuries) would beg to differ.

The Enlightenment project turned out far better.

Child labor and Boss Tweed. Keep swinging.

You can say that western civilization has been superior for, say, the last century or so, but that's only if you choose to ignore the creation of the third world, and the threat of nuclear annihilation.

Wicked stuff was done, Nukes also lead to unprecedented peace. I don't see despite all those things that it was not a better place to live. What makes you think given the oppurtunity other civilizations would not have pursued colonization?

It's safe to say that the colonial carving up of Africa taking no account of tribal regions has contributed to many of the problems seen there today.

Many of the problems in their current form, absolutely. But the very root of saying that the problems exist b/c Europeans paid no heed to tribal boundaires means there was tribal tension in the past. The Zulu didn't just fight Britain, they fought other Africans before that. The problems there are slightly changed b/c being in a country relights the conflicts as civil strife, but it really is more of a tribal/national struggle that is just continuing as it has for (usually) centuries or even longer in some cases.

But saying Europeans created the third world is pretty laughable. They didn't destroy too much in the economies of colonies that they didn't replace in some way (except in the Americas, but disease had the larger role).

I'm not proposing that there was some kind of utopian society before that, but they were not poverty-stricken wastelands. Those were little empires and tribes of proud people. Human dignity was the norm, not desolation. And you know very well that the landscape was mostly intact, not slashed and burned for cash crops.

Human dignity is not the norm in Empires. The in idependent country Ethiopia, the country that did not get colonized had slavery long after the US outlawed it. Where do you get this magical innocent black people stuff?

When you try to hold up Western culture as superior you are by extension saying that other cultures are inferior. This is what leads to notions of "sub-humans" and helps to justify practises such as slavery and genocide. I think it is far more honest to say different cultures and races are the result of different conditions and varying geographic,environmental and historical advantages and disadvantages. While there are many examples of how current Western ideals and practises are in fact "better" than others it has not always been this way and it is not guaranteed to continue to be so in the future.

I think the civilization race is over and people just want to live well. We are at the destination, the ideas are fine we just have to improve the human resource and be consistent. Other cultures are worse the same way certain corporate cultures are better than others. We don't assume that people working in Company B with an inferior work culture are subhuman. Of course it was not always this way but people live in the here and now.

I disagree. This ride doesn't end. We aren't at a point of stasis. Civilizations don't sit still. They either grow or decay.

Western civ needs to grow in what direction?

[de officiis]

You fellas are going to give yourselves high blood pressure problems.