Unite the Right

[Speaker to Animals]

As far as yankees winning this war.. nah. They control the smaller cities that dot the South, and obviously the few big ones. But they are limited to those cities boundaries. Even then, they are limited to zones within those cities where they have control, whereas there are plenty of neighborhoods that don't support them. Nor do they control the states for the most part. Some of the states are toss-ups, since they have basically overrun the places (i.e. Florida and soon Texas). But where I live, they have their little enclave down the road, whereas we have the state. We passed state laws that preempted this horseshit, so they can't even topple the confederate monuments in their little cities either.

Also, yes, I am seeing a kind of awakening going on over the past year. I never saw so many rebel flags everywhere as I am seeing now. These people are reawakening a sense of nationhood in the south. I don't know what these fuckwits want to accomplish, but they seem to be accomplishing everything the southern nationalists dreamed of before but couldn't make happen by themselves.

[Smitty-48]

This is all JEB Stuart's fault. The Yankees will get all the monuments, but if there are any of JEB Stuart, you should take them down first.

[ssu]

I mean, not to demoralize anybody still clinging to the Lost Cause, but pretty sure the Left is gonna win this war going away, won't be long until there are no Confederate monuments anywhere in the South

Actually, I'm a bit worried about more than just the South. If after Dubya we got Obama, what's the counter reaction to Trump when it comes (even if there's a Pence in between)?

It was never the Neo Nazis nor the KKK who kept the Lost Cause going, it was the "Normies", it was totally Normie in Dixie to rally around Bobby Lee & Co, but if the Normies have let it go now, which they seem to have, then you can kiss the Lost Cause goodbye, because the fringe is not and never was enough to keep it going.

If neonazis and the KKK take the center stage, no "Normie" will rally around same things in the end. Because those nazi idiots surely want to represent themselves as the ONLY true patriots or supporters of a cause. It's a universal move, the way that the extreme fringes want to push moderates out. Usually they don't succeed as in the end neonazis are whimsical clowns. That's why so crucial are the lunatics here.

For me here the "Canary in the Coal Mine" are the flags of the Finnish Air Force. The Soviet Union might have dictated us to change our national insignia, but the Air Force at least kept their old flags.




And I guess the removal of the swastika in them will happen the same way. No SJWs will dare to ask now for the removal of the Swastikas as simply they would be laughed out. Finns know that we had the sign of good luck before one Austrian (still at least). But have some neonazi go on a killing spree here and then the left can simply demand the removal of the hated symbol ...even if it hasn't got anything to do with Hitler, but just because what it "symbolizes now". And once if the Air Force has to change it symbols, then it can be accused of having this "Nazi past". That's how the left works in rewriting history.

[Smitty-48]

Does anyone know what the people in the town where the gen. Lee statue is to be taken down, feel about that statue? Any local polls on that?

Well, it's the home of the University of Virginia, so it's a college town, so prolly not a Neo Confederate stronghold, and I'd submit that the only poll which counts is that they elected Democrats to the City council, including a Democrat mayor, and that council voted 3-2 to remove the monument, with the mayor casting the deciding vote.

[Smitty-48]

Actually, I'm a bit worried about more than just the South. If after Dubya we got Obama, what's the counter reaction to Trump when it comes (even if there's a Pence in between)?

I don't actually think the Presidency is that important, it's mostly bully pulpit, you really have to look at congress to figure out what the Americans may or may not do. Not that I think it's worth worrying about, don't worry about what you can't control.

[jediuser598]

Does anyone know what the people in the town where the gen. Lee statue is to be taken down, feel about that statue? Any local polls on that?

Well, it's the home of the University of Virginia, so it's a college town, so prolly not a Neo Confederate stronghold, and I'd submit that the only poll which counts is that they elected Democrats to the City council, including a Democrat mayor, and that council voted 3-2 to remove the monument, with the mayor casting the deciding vote.

Was that not legitimate republic process? Were any laws broken in electing these representatives who voted to take down the statue? Is it not their prerogative to decide such things? The 20 year old who ran down those protestors was from Ohio. I imagine a lot of the protestors who showed up to protect this statue were from other places and not residents of Charlottesville. So two groups of protesters, not from Charlottesville, descended on the town to hash out their ongoing conflict.

If the South wants to rise again, and claim they're beyond legitimate republic process, then things are going to get violent again. That's what resolved this issue in the first place, whether or not states had the right to secede from the union. They do not. (at least not unilaterally by the states alone)

This is what a lot of Southerners don't get. They lost the argument because they lost the war. The votes have been cast, the issue has been decided by blood. Just as much as Trump is our president, Southerners are part of the union, the same union as the Yankees. We are literally the same people. We're Americans. Not such a bad thing, I'd think. If the south does try to rise again, they'll be crushed, again. At this point, I think most of the country is like:



Tired of hearing about this shit.

It is Vae Victis. If whatever process you've set up through participating in our governmental system decides to take your statue down, you're certainly allowed to show up to protest and try to oppose that take down, and try to change the minds and work within the process to change that decision, but at the end of the day it's up to the courts, the legislature, and the people. Don't like it? What are you going to do about it? You're the vanquished. You get violent, the state is going to get violent towards you.

Those people who are pulling down confederate statues illegally? They should be charged with crimes. It's one thing for legitimate republic process to decide a thing, it's another for vigilantes to go out and destroy it themselves.

[Smitty-48]

Does anyone know what the people in the town where the gen. Lee statue is to be taken down, feel about that statue? Any local polls on that?

Well, it's the home of the University of Virginia, so it's a college town, so prolly not a Neo Confederate stronghold, and I'd submit that the only poll which counts is that they elected Democrats to the City council, including a Democrat mayor, and that council voted 3-2 to remove the monument, with the mayor casting the deciding vote.

Was that not legitimate republic process?

I wasn't complaining, it's none of my business, I just think it's the third rail in America, so I would have left it alone if I was the city council, two of the Democrats voted to just leave it be, I think they had the right idea, I don't think Robert E. Lee is actually the villain that the Yankees make him out to be, if it was a statue of John C. Calhoun, yeah, OK, I'd vote to take that one down, but Bobby Lee was no John C. Calhoun, in 1975, President Gerald Ford postumously restored Lee to citizenship and said the following;

“As a soldier, Gen. Lee left his mark on military strategy. As a man, he stood as the symbol of valor and of duty. As an educator, he appealed to reason and learning to achieve understanding and to build a stronger nation. The course he chose after the war became a symbol to all those who had marched with him in the bitter years towards Appomattox.”

To me, all these Millenials running around sreeching that Lee was some sort of Hitler, that sounds ridiculous, but whatever, it's not my statue, and them Yankees can't get at our monuments, because General Brock drove them Yankees from the Heights at Queenston, to be dashed upon the rocks below; Vae Victis! Yeeeehaaaaw!

[jediuser598]

Both sides of these millenial morons believe in political violence. Believe that they have the right to deny other people's rights. I'm not always for a larger prison population, but this time it certainly seems warranted. Lets get the video, spend some man hours seeing who assaulted who, and make some cases and start sending people to jail/prison.

Like this one idiot, Eric Clanton, who was hitting people with a bike lock:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/26/p ... and-court/

Fuck that guy.

Smitty, I started working with this one fellow, figured out he's an Antifa guy, believes in some political violence he does, basically I told him he's an idiot in not so many words, then he tells me if all the philosophers died in the world, we'd be better off. That's no more ethics, no more logic, no more rhetoric. At least, no more new, and no more teachers. These people have their own tribal epistemology, what need do they have for logic, or ethics?

Then I have a cop I talk to daily who is like "Well, it's legal to mow people down who stand in the road, or street." He's a righty. He believes if someone burns a flag, he has a right to not only arrest them, but hurt them as well. It's antifa on the right. Both sides, fuckin crazy.

[Smitty-48]

Well I never said I didn't believe in political violence, I absolutely do believe in poltical violence, it's kind of hard to have been a soldier and not have, but I would only ever engage in political violence, at the lawful direction of my Commander-in-Chief, Queen Elizabeth II, in the collective and individual self defense of her House of Windsor here amongst the red and green maples, within the confines of national and international law and the laws of armed conflict. Mind you, if the Bolshies ever take to streets to imperil the Queen's Peace, that's go time right there right thur, although I'd only shoot the really obnoxious ones, and I wouldn't shoot any in the back if they were fleeing.

[ssu]

Cultural genocide is actually really common in history. It's rampant in our own history. The English culturally genocided all the other cultures in the Isles. Our ancestors culturally genocided the fuck out of the natives here. One would hope it could remain in the past, but alas, the left are fucking regressive savages, when it comes down to it. They are not very different from their little ISIS buddies in SW Asia, obviously.

Well, the English were so smart to invent the term British. Even if the Scots nearly went for independence, they still are in the Union. And the Welsh do have still their language, at least part of the people speak it.

Yet one shouldn't look at this as just a thing coming from outside pressure.

Yes, the dominant culture can pushed as a central agenda in a state, another perfect example is France, where there not so long time ago were a multitude of spoken languages which weren't close to french. Yet nowdays the dissappearance of cultures happens what one could say through "globalization". Here the most important aspect is how people themselves view their culture, is it something they are proud of or something that is for them basically irrelevant? Is the culture something that is vibrant and that can invent new things or is it just old traditional costumes and folk dances that few old people dance? Things like language and even dialects are important.