Meanwhile in Ukraine

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so, the idea & CIA narrative that these Russian ground troops

are going to mutiny against their chain of command and/or surrender en masse ?

I would say not

under these conditions they would just be executed for desertion anyways

surrendering to the enraged Ukrainians is just as perilous

so at this point, as a soldier,

you really have no choice but to fight for your life with everything you got

but this is actually Russian doctrine

this is how it has always worked in the Russian army, this is the Russian army functioning as it is supposed to

from the Imperial, through the Soviet, into the Post Soviet era

this is the conscript army of the Czars, this is how they fight

again, the arm of decision is artillery ; grand battery

and the operational method is to overwhelm with mass; quantity over quality
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when evaluating their operations, the key is to not project American military doctrine onto them

life is cheap, all troops are expendable cannon fodder down range, drive them forward at gunpoint as necessary

it's not about the tanks, all armored vehicles are cheaply massed produced, expendable downrange

they don't care about collateral damage, they don't care about killing civilians, civilians are expendable downrange

ambushes happen, the Russians don't try to avoid them, they just keep coming with more mass

so they use IFR : I follow roads, they just drive right down the roads, speed is emphasized over survival

they move the resources to whoever is doing well, take resources from whoever is failing, go with the winners

they drive in Napoleonic columns until they encircle you

then they set up their Napoleonic Grand Battery for a siege

this is all by design

they are not the US Army

so you can't predict that they are losing the war, based on them following Russian doctrine instead of American

this is the sort of chaos that all Russian operations incite in any war they fight

they win some, they lose them, but they have won a few using this doctrine, including World War Two
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The Putin interviews
Streaming live.

I watched these a couple of years ago. Part of the reason I said with a fair amount of confidence that he would invade the Ukraine.

https://gettr.com/post/pxkufb5b0c
There is a time for good men to do bad things.

For fuck sake, 1984 is NOT an instruction manual!

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seems like the Russians are getting serious now

the 40 mile long column heading for Kiev, I think might be most of 6th Combined Arms Army

then on the eastern border at Kharkiv they are bringing two Army's now it looks like

1st Guards Tank Army reinforcing 20th Guards Combined Arms Army

I said they needed a minimum 400,000 troops to take Ukraine

they seem to be snap mobilizing something like that now

the Russians know they are in trouble, so the gloves are coming off

they are just bombarding Kharkiv indiscriminately, targeting the civilian population deliberately

this is just making the Ukrainians fight all the harder

so I don't know if 400,000 troops is going to be enough anymore, they are fighting the whole population now

400,000 is if you do it quick & clean, this is turning into a vortex would could suck the whole Russian army into it
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oh, just fyi

a Russian "Army" is like an American "Corps"

so they have three Corps worth, committed to Kiev & Kharkiv now

although they are just trying to encircle the cities and bombard them right now

they haven't sent the troops into the cities yet, they are just doing reconnaissance in force so far
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Interesting report from Chuck Holton inside Kiev.
Food and Gas scarce, everything is cash, many places without power
Russians have Kiev surrounded, he is going to try and sneak out on backroads
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C-Mag wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:21 am many places without power
this is total war

the Russians are not preserving infrastructure, they are destroying it

blowing up power stations, oil depots, everything

the Russian commanders are unrestrained,

bombing everything in sight, deliberately targeting civilians, executing prisoners

scorched earth
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Israelis, Arabs, Iranians in harrowing exodus from Ukraine
https://news.yahoo.com/israelis-arabs-i ... 45420.html

This pisses me off. Here's your globalist open borders bullshit.
Bring in these people to live off the fruits of your labor, when you really need them they are no where to be found. They leave native Ukrainians to defend the place, and I'm sure plan to flow back in when it's peaceful and things are good again.

Fuck Off Globalists.
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You'll like this Smitty
https://gab.com/TrevorGoodchild/posts/1 ... 8044834950

Putin likely stopping at the Dneiper.
Russians have the east almost sown up, Kiev is encircled.
Putin has told NATO anymore interference will neccesitate a Nuclear repsonse from Russia
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C-Mag wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:56 am You'll like this Smitty
https://gab.com/TrevorGoodchild/posts/1 ... 8044834950

Putin likely stopping at the Dneiper.
Russians have the east almost sown up, Kiev is encircled.
Putin has told NATO anymore interference will neccesitate a Nuclear repsonse from Russia

Kiev is not even encircled yet, the Russians are holding 20 klicks to the north

the Ukrainians have supply lines from the south

the Russians are stopped point blank in the east, stacked up outside Kharkiv

this is the equivalent to 3 Corps, 12 Divisions the Russians are committing now

that is all of Western Military District

that is half the active duty Russian ground forces

and Russians are still not winning
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