Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

[kybkh]

If I may ask you a question Penner,

What do you make of the fact that a Fushion GPS employee was at the meeting in Trump Tower and the "Russian lawyer" was allowed in the country per an exception from the DOJ?

Does that arouse any suspicions?

Are you talking about that "adoption meeting" that Trump Jr screwed up telling to the public?

Any thoughts about the Fusion GPS thing??

[C-Mag]

Tucker Carlson on this tonight. Tucker states

'For people in Washington, knows this kind of thing happens, it's likely'

[ssu]

Seems that Mueller is closer to getting and indictment on Manafort. And Manafort is the key players here, as his ties start with Oleg Deripaska and the Yanukovich and Konstantin Kilimnik. And let's face it, before Manafort Trump wasn't so hot about Putin.

And then there is the Trump Tower in Moscow deal... admitted now By Trump's lawyer that it had been pushed during the elections (same time when Trump was saying he had no connections or intensions in Russia).

You guys still going on with the whacky "Obama ordered wiretappings" tweet? No need for him, just let the FBI do what it is supposed to do. With people like Manafort or Carter Page to get the FISA warrants is easy.

[C-Mag]

We have so many damn laws it's said the average US citizen commits 3 felonies a day. So finding a crime is possible. What pisses me off is that they will pass up obvious crimes by insiders. It's not Equal Justice under the law. Let's not pretend.

The intel community that is at the head of this I have no confidence in, their record sucks. The missed the Fall of the Soviet Union and 9/11 all within 10 years of each other. Not to mention their false claims to get public support of war.

[ssu]

The intel community that is at the head of this I have no confidence in, their record sucks. The missed the Fall of the Soviet Union and 9/11 all within 10 years of each other. Not to mention their false claims to get public support of war.

I do remember they got one thing right:

That was that Yugoslavia was headed for a civil war. CIA made this estimation/forcast public half a year earlier before it happened.

The only thing I remember them getting right before anybody else. Forcasting the future is difficult. Tracking Russian spies and who they meddle with is far more easier.

[Hastur]

The intel community that is at the head of this I have no confidence in, their record sucks. The missed the Fall of the Soviet Union and 9/11 all within 10 years of each other. Not to mention their false claims to get public support of war.

I do remember they got one thing right:

That was that Yugoslavia was headed for a civil war. CIA made this estimation/forcast public half a year earlier before it happened.

The only thing I remember them getting right before anybody else. Forcasting the future is difficult. Tracking Russian spies and who they meddle with is far more easier.

I learned from reading Legacy of Ashes that the CIA's finest hour of intelligence analysis was during the Vietnam war. Problem was that they had no influence then due to their previous failures and that their analysis pointed in the "wrong direction". Power corrupts and lack of power sometimes leads to truthfulness.

[ssu]

I learned from reading Legacy of Ashes that the CIA's finest hour of intelligence analysis was during the Vietnam war. Problem was that they had no influence then due to their previous failures and that their analysis pointed in the "wrong direction". Power corrupts and lack of power sometimes leads to truthfulness.

I think your correct there. As it typically goes, politicians want to hear only the intel that favours their agenda. Then the CIA under McCone was telling things that LBJ didn't want to hear, hence they were "out of the loop", not "part of the team". Hence McCone had to go and was replaced with Raborn, a naval officer without intel background, who resigned after sixteen months. Needles to say Raborn had similar thoughts on Vietnam as McCone has had.

Here's an interesting take on just why the CIA was correct about the Vietnam war:

Many CIA Vietnam analysts had been working on Indochina problems for some time, often longer than most military intelligence officers. Those Agency officers were familiar with how intelligence reporting had been distorted during France's fight against the Communist-led Viet Minh (VM) and how such unfounded optimism had contributed to the French defeat. CIA analysts subsequently witnessed near-identical patterns in much of the US military and diplomatic reporting from Saigon. In addition, they were at times told confidentially by middle-grade US military and Mission officers of such practices. A few CIA analysts served in Vietnam and experienced firsthand such distortion by some senior US officials there. The resulting candor of CIA judgments flowed also from the fact that the reports Headquarters analysts received from CIA's Saigon station were much more factual and exacting in their demanded authenticity than was much of the other reporting from Vietnam.

Hence when you get to the "Yellowcake from Niger" and other things about then later deemed as "Bad Intel" that the Bush Presidency basically created for itself (or the VP Cheney's people), you have this dilemma for the CIA: Do you stick to the truth and be sidelined or do you come to be a team-player and be in the loop?

What option DCI Tenet chose is quite evident:

[Fife]

Don Surber addresses the Seen and the Unseen, as they say in a priori economic circles.

Why CNN told you Trump's campaign was wiretapped

What was said:

1. Some US investigators wiretapped.
2. Some communications "sparked concern"
3. Mueller "has been provided"
4. A FISA was issued in 2014

What was not said:

1. Who got the FISA
2. Why Mueller got the information
3. Whether they spied on Trump directly or indirectly

[ssu]

Don Surber addresses the Seen and the Unseen, as they say in a priori economic circles.

Why CNN told you Trump's campaign was wiretapped

What was said:

1. Some US investigators wiretapped.
2. Some communications "sparked concern"
3. Mueller "has been provided"
4. A FISA was issued in 2014

What was not said:

1. Who got the FISA
2. Why Mueller got the information
3. Whether they spied on Trump directly or indirectly

? ? ?

I don't think there's anything strange here as basically it's the FBI's mission to keep taps on Russian intel ops in the US. With Manafort (and Carter Page) it's no wonder at all. When Manafort works for close confidants of Putin (and now we know he offered briefings on the elections) and Pro-Russian Ukrainian government, It's no wonder he's under surveillance.

When Manafort was lobbying for dictators Ferdinand Marcos and Mobutu Sese Seko, those were allies of the US during the Cold War. Not these guys now, and hence the interest from the FBI.

[Fife]

I don't think there's anything strange here

Of course you don't.

Big ole nothingburger, not even any mustard on it.