Net Neutrality

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Fife » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:31 pm

Viktorthepirate wrote:I don't see how taking down net neutrality works in the favor of the average consumer when there exists a near monopoly on ISPs available to people.

I'm all about the free market but I choose where I live based on ISPs because most of them are so shitty.
What's the best way to get rid of the "near monopoly on ISPs available to people?"

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:33 pm

Fife wrote:
Viktorthepirate wrote:I don't see how taking down net neutrality works in the favor of the average consumer when there exists a near monopoly on ISPs available to people.

I'm all about the free market but I choose where I live based on ISPs because most of them are so shitty.
What's the best way to get rid of the "near monopoly on ISPs available to people?"

Kick the merchant cunts out of the GOP.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:44 pm

I mean support NN

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:45 pm

Fife wrote:
Viktorthepirate wrote:I don't see how taking down net neutrality works in the favor of the average consumer when there exists a near monopoly on ISPs available to people.

I'm all about the free market but I choose where I live based on ISPs because most of them are so shitty.
What's the best way to get rid of the "near monopoly on ISPs available to people?"
Local Loop Unbundling. But even after making the ISP's common carriers, Obama didn't do it. So you get all the downside of ISP's being public utilities, without actually breaking up the broadband monopolies. "Net Neutrality!"; bait and switch.
Nec Aspera Terrent

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:38 pm

Removing government oversight

The same government that made us a minority in half a century

A blink of the eye in the historical timeline



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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:44 pm

A shekel for the good goy. Comcast appreciates you.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:50 pm

Yeah now I know you have some cognitive dissonance going on

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:10 am

HA HA HA HA

Keep on shilling for the merchant class, then. Seriously, this is the one time you had me thinking you might have had a point with that other stuff. If they can convince even you to shill for them.. wow.


This business of fucking over an entire nation of people for some shekels is merchant values. There's no honor in it anywhere. Not even any principle. It's just chasing shekels and fleecing other people in the pursuit therein.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Fife » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:32 am

Here's a good piece I ran across this morning sticking to actual economics, utilizing Hayek to demonstrate the shit-world we would have been promised if not for Trump beating that murderous old drunken bitch.

Net Neutrality And The Problem With “Experts”
Regulating the internet via the FCC, of course, thoroughly prevents innovators, consumers, and producers from taking advantage of the experience and knowledge of those who are actually working in the marketplace.

This isn’t a problem, apparently, for those who insist that government must dictate to consumers and producers alike. After all, we have “experts.”

Unfortunately, when it comes to something as complex and non-clinical as a functioning market, “experts” of the type employed by government panels are of little help. Hayek continues:

Today it is almost heresy to suggest that scientific knowledge is not the sum of all knowledge. But a little reflection will show that there is beyond question a body of very important but unorganized knowledge which cannot possibly be called scientific in the sense of knowledge of general rules: the knowledge of the particular circumstances of time and place. It is with respect to this that practically every individual has some advantage over all others because he possesses unique information of which beneficial use might be made, but of which use can be made only if the decisions depending on it are left to him or are made with his active coöperation.
Central planning is Cuban and Venezuelan bullshit. We had a close shave -- Thank Providence for Trump.

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Re: Net Neutrality

Post by Viktorthepirate » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:07 am

Fife wrote:Here's a good piece I ran across this morning sticking to actual economics, utilizing Hayek to demonstrate the shit-world we would have been promised if not for Trump beating that murderous old drunken bitch.

Net Neutrality And The Problem With “Experts”
Regulating the internet via the FCC, of course, thoroughly prevents innovators, consumers, and producers from taking advantage of the experience and knowledge of those who are actually working in the marketplace.

This isn’t a problem, apparently, for those who insist that government must dictate to consumers and producers alike. After all, we have “experts.”

Unfortunately, when it comes to something as complex and non-clinical as a functioning market, “experts” of the type employed by government panels are of little help. Hayek continues:

Today it is almost heresy to suggest that scientific knowledge is not the sum of all knowledge. But a little reflection will show that there is beyond question a body of very important but unorganized knowledge which cannot possibly be called scientific in the sense of knowledge of general rules: the knowledge of the particular circumstances of time and place. It is with respect to this that practically every individual has some advantage over all others because he possesses unique information of which beneficial use might be made, but of which use can be made only if the decisions depending on it are left to him or are made with his active coöperation.
Central planning is Cuban and Venezuelan bullshit. We had a close shave -- Thank Providence for Trump.
That's a pretty broad argument. Specifically speaking, how is net neutrality stifling creativity? Monopolies do the same thing.

Creativity is bred from competition, there isn't any.