Another School Shooting

[Okeefenokee]

I’d file this under the “don’t attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence” rule, until we have further info.

Mainly because there might be 1000 other people in various law enforcement databases that look just as sketchy as this school shooter. Without knowing their follow up process, lack of process, or prioritization methods it’s difficult for me to charge law enforcement with willful neglect. This might just be a case of widespread neglect, with one psycho finally acting out. For all we know the Sheriff and FBI are ignoring hundreds of folks like this.

I think we should be thankful that we live in a society where the constabulary has the burden of making an air tight case against us before they start confiscating our possessions or arresting us.

But that is going to come with consequences.

The parents were the ones making the case. Not the police.

The parents said he was going to hurt someone, and the police ignored them.

[StCapps]

I find it unbelievable that four deputies simultaneously chickened out.

I don't.

have no idea what happened, but something is rotten here. I would submit to you that it is equally if not more likely the sheriff ordered them to standby. We already know the sheriff is covering his ass as much as he can.

Maybe the sheriff did order them to stand down, but I would assume that call would be related to incompetence as opposed to a conspiracy.

Take four random deputy sheriffs from any county in the US and what do you think are the odds all four would run and hide against an 18 year old retard with a rifle?

Not 0%, not unbelievable. If something is rotten, which it seems like it is, then it's more likely incompetence related than an act of malice to provide an excuse to take guns away from law abiding Americans, this should be fairly obvious.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I’d file this under the “don’t attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence” rule, until we have further info.

Mainly because there might be 1000 other people in various law enforcement databases that look just as sketchy as this school shooter. Without knowing their follow up process, lack of process, or prioritization methods it’s difficult for me to charge law enforcement with willful neglect. This might just be a case of widespread neglect, with one psycho finally acting out. For all we know the Sheriff and FBI are ignoring hundreds of folks like this.

I think we should be thankful that we live in a society where the constabulary has the burden of making an air tight case against us before they start confiscating our possessions or arresting us.

But that is going to come with consequences.

The parents were the ones making the case. Not the police.

The parents said he was going to hurt someone, and the police ignored them.

Like DB said, I have no idea how many tips the police receive about things like this, or how they decide which are actionable. But I have read a few pages of youtube comments, and can say with some certainty that people say shit like the things Cruz was saying all the time.

The fact is, it is easy to make a post hoc case that the cops should have stopped the fucktard that actually shot up a school. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on where you stand) just being a fucktard saying dumb shit on the internet isn't enough to trigger action from the authorities.

[Speaker to Animals]

I find it unbelievable that four deputies simultaneously chickened out.

I don't.

I grew up with a step-dad who was an Orange county deputy sheriff. I find it HIGHLY unbelievable that four out of four responding deputies chickened out. The deputies I knew would never hide like that. I don't believe I encounter many if any deputies where I live who would do something like that.

have no idea what happened, but something is rotten here. I would submit to you that it is equally if not more likely the sheriff ordered them to standby. We already know the sheriff is covering his ass as much as he can.

Maybe the sheriff did order them to stand down, but I would assume that call would be related to incompetence as opposed to a conspiracy. Again: lay off the weed. Nobody is tabling a conspiracy here. That was Hannarchy trying to muddy the waters because his leftist gun control side is getting flushed like used toilet paper

Take four random deputy sheriffs from any county in the US and what do you think are the odds all four would run and hide against an 18 year old retard with a rifle?

Not 0%, not unbelievable. If something is rotten, which it seems like it is, then it's more likely incompetence related than an act of malice to provide an excuse to take guns away from law abiding Americans, this should be fairly obvious.

Compare your estimated probabilities. Is the probability that four out of four deputies would chicken out greater or less than the probability that four out of four deputies would follow a ridiculously incompetent order to standby for more officers?

[Okeefenokee]

I think we should be thankful that we live in a society where the constabulary has the burden of making an air tight case against us before they start confiscating our possessions or arresting us.

But that is going to come with consequences.

The parents were the ones making the case. Not the police.

The parents said he was going to hurt someone, and the police ignored them.

Like DB said, I have no idea how many tips the police receive about things like this, or how they decide which are actionable. But I have read a few pages of youtube comments, and can say with some certainty that people say shit like the things Cruz was saying all the time.

The fact is, it is easy to make a post hoc case that the cops should have stopped the fucktard that actually shot up a school. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on where you stand) just being a fucktard saying dumb shit on the internet isn't enough to trigger action from the authorities.

You're intentionally being dishonest.

This wasn't just some annon saying shit online, and you know it.

The cops were at his house all the fucking time, and his family tried multiple times to get the police to prevent this, and they didn't do shit.

[Speaker to Animals]

Parsimony (what non-college-educated people refer to as "Occam's Razor" without understanding what it means) dictates the least assumptions fall on a single man making a bad call: Sheriff Israel. Assuming all four deputies would turn coward is three assumptions more than assuming an incompetent sheriff making a stupid order.

But again: I don't know which it was. I find the official excuse, that four out of four deputies just chickened out, to be highly unbelievable right now.

The governor really needs to step in and have the state police start investigating and replacing people for the time being. The residents of Broward county deserve at least some confidence that their tax dollars are paying for law enforcement that actually does their job.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

The parents were the ones making the case. Not the police.

The parents said he was going to hurt someone, and the police ignored them.

Like DB said, I have no idea how many tips the police receive about things like this, or how they decide which are actionable. But I have read a few pages of youtube comments, and can say with some certainty that people say shit like the things Cruz was saying all the time.

The fact is, it is easy to make a post hoc case that the cops should have stopped the fucktard that actually shot up a school. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on where you stand) just being a fucktard saying dumb shit on the internet isn't enough to trigger action from the authorities.

You're intentionally being dishonest.

This wasn't just some annon saying shit online, and you know it.

The cops were at his house all the fucking time, and his family tried multiple times to get the police to prevent this, and they didn't do shit.

Attack my motives to defend your post hoc reasoning.
Can't really have a discussion about that.
/shrug

[Speaker to Animals]

Oh yes we can. Your dishonesty here is truly laughable. First you accuse people of resorting to conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence. When asked to back that up, you quoted random sentences and proclaimed there was some "innuendo" hidden in them. Then you deliberately distorted the truth about police involvement in this kid's life to make it seem like the police couldn't possibly have known this shooting was coming when we can all see that they were heavily involved at all levels (including federal), this kid even told everybody he planned on doing it, and they did absolutely nothing -- absolutely nothing even during the shooting itself. Then you attempt to pathologize everybody who criticizes the police. Lastly, when all that fails, you just proclaim "we can't have a discussion about this stuff". Sure.

You are getting crushed right now.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Parsimony (what non-college-educated people refer to as "Occam's Razor" without understanding what it means) dictates the least assumptions fall on a single man making a bad call: Sheriff Israel. Assuming all four deputies would turn coward is three assumptions more than assuming an incompetent sheriff making a stupid order.

But again: I don't know which it was. I find the official excuse, that four out of four deputies just chickened out, to be highly unbelievable right now.

The governor really needs to step in and have the state police start investigating and replacing people for the time being. The residents of Broward county deserve at least some confidence that their tax dollars are paying for law enforcement that actually does their job.

What made you feel compelled to bring up the Las Vegas shooting?

The parsimonious interpretation that Broward county's sheriff shit the bed doesn't seem to relate in any way to any other mass shooting, or 'the narrative,' or any other damn thing that has been bandied about.

[Speaker to Animals]

Parsimony (what non-college-educated people refer to as "Occam's Razor" without understanding what it means) dictates the least assumptions fall on a single man making a bad call: Sheriff Israel. Assuming all four deputies would turn coward is three assumptions more than assuming an incompetent sheriff making a stupid order.

But again: I don't know which it was. I find the official excuse, that four out of four deputies just chickened out, to be highly unbelievable right now.

The governor really needs to step in and have the state police start investigating and replacing people for the time being. The residents of Broward county deserve at least some confidence that their tax dollars are paying for law enforcement that actually does their job.

What made you feel compelled to bring up the Las Vegas shooting?

The parsimonious interpretation that Broward county's sheriff shit the bed doesn't seem to relate in any way to any other mass shooting, or 'the narrative,' or any other damn thing that has been bandied about.

Because that investigation is equally as rotten.

There is no such thing as a "parsimonious interpretation". Parsimony is a heuristic which tells you which hypothesis to investigate first in order to reach a correct conclusion in the most efficient steps. It could be the least parsimonious hypothesis that is correct, but not likely.