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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:31 pm

Why are we still allowing somebody who is connected to corruption from the Russian government run the investigation into Russian corruption?

Letting the criminals investigate themselves is stupid. This has to be the biggest gas lighting operation in American history.

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Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:34 pm

C-Mag wrote:First rumors on who is getting charged.
A new report asserts that Robert Mueller’s charges, which are said to be announced Monday, will not be related to the Trump-Russia probe.

Internet sleuth Jack Posobiec claims his sources in D.C. tell him that charges will be related to a condo/real estate deal handled by Paul Manafort.

We’ll soon see if this turns out to be accurate.


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Post by C-Mag » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:36 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:Why are we still allowing somebody who is connected to corruption from the Russian government run the investigation into Russian corruption?

Letting the criminals investigate themselves is stupid. This has to be the biggest gas lighting operation in American history.
Mueller should have never been appointed. It's clear Mueller, McCable, Rosenstein, and Comey are all looking out for each other.
It will be a travesty if he is allowed to continue. Manafort is the obvious choice for charges. He was involved with Trump for 4 months and Clinton for years. So it can appease all. These charges are obviously to show that he is getting things done and should continue with his investigation.

Fire Him.
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Post by C-Mag » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:56 am

Gowdy has publicly said Mueller broke the Law leaking that an indictment went out in his investigation.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10 ... ion-video/

Jason Chaffetz said on Pirro last night that in a conversation with Sessions to get documents released Sessions told Chaffetz that he as AG would not prosecute Hillary.
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Post by C-Mag » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:28 pm

Apologize in advance for the Wall of Text, but this a great insight to the maneuvers in the Washington District of Corruption

The gamesmanship currently being pitched through the media is about political leverage. That leverage in DC is traded like baseball cards amid the upper tier of those who float in an entirely divergent orbit from everyone else.

Repeat: this is not about law. It’s about politics.

If Mueller waited any longer to construct his political cases against those he is investigating he would open himself up to scrutiny from within his attachment to the Uranium One deal.

If the mystery FBI witness testified to congress before Mueller announced an indictment it would look like Mueller was retaliating against that testimony. So Mueller plays the hand he’s carrying.

Now, by going first, regardless of the testimony from the FBI witness, any negative outcome therein would look like retaliation against him for indictments announced prior to the testimony.

See how that works?

Remember, this is not about laws, lawfulness, or the judicial system. These participants operate above that system. They are in a political system above the law; they use the landscape of the judicial system to advance politics. Pause and repeat as needed.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is simply attempting to retain his leverage within the game. Going first allows him to keep and use that leverage. If Mueller had waited he would have lost that leverage.

Congress has now lost leverage. Regardless of what the FBI informant says to them regarding the Uranium One deal it is useless against the optic of retaliation for the special counsel investigation.

Conversely, those who were getting sick and tired of this investigation dragging on also know how the game is played. They knew if they brought in the angle of the FBI informant it would force Mueller to act fast. Again, this is politics, not legal.

Mueller has protected himself from the leverage congress was assembling and now he has cards to trade for any outcomes therein. Mueller knew by planting the leak tonight his leverage would have all weekend to grow and establish itself through the media.

This is the exact same hand James Comey played when he intentionally leaked his memo notes to the New York Times right before he was fired. Comey was losing leverage; Comey needed to gain back leverage to protect his interests.

Changing and trading leverage is politics.

Establish enough leverage and you can break any law with impunity.
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Post by ssu » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:15 pm

Funny to look at the discussion here. I think it will hit the crescendo later.

In a nutshell:
The Trump White House has tried to use the connection between the dossier and Clinton to claim that this shows that rather than Trump colluding with Russia, Clinton colluded with Russia. (The theory appears to be that because Steele was getting information from Russian officials in part with funds provided by the Clinton campaign, the Russians were helping Clinton.)

But that ignores the fact that DNC emails — as well as the email account of the Clinton campaign chairman — were hacked and then published by WikiLeaks as part of the pro-Trump Russian operation identified by U.S. intelligence agencies. Indeed, the Wall Street Journal reported that a prominent Trump donor and the chief executive of a data-analytics firm working for Trump’s presidential campaign in August 2016 discussed how to better organize the Clinton-related emails being released by Wikileaks in order to leverage their impact.
I remember those times when you guys thought Russia didn't do anything, absolutely anything in the elections. The Seth Rich story and so on. :D

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Post by Martin Hash » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:06 am

Dude, that's the new narrative. Where ya been?

You'll need new anti-Trump talking points.
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Post by BjornP » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:13 am

ssu wrote:Funny to look at the discussion here. I think it will hit the crescendo later.

In a nutshell:
The Trump White House has tried to use the connection between the dossier and Clinton to claim that this shows that rather than Trump colluding with Russia, Clinton colluded with Russia. (The theory appears to be that because Steele was getting information from Russian officials in part with funds provided by the Clinton campaign, the Russians were helping Clinton.)

But that ignores the fact that DNC emails — as well as the email account of the Clinton campaign chairman — were hacked and then published by WikiLeaks as part of the pro-Trump Russian operation identified by U.S. intelligence agencies. Indeed, the Wall Street Journal reported that a prominent Trump donor and the chief executive of a data-analytics firm working for Trump’s presidential campaign in August 2016 discussed how to better organize the Clinton-related emails being released by Wikileaks in order to leverage their impact.
I remember those times when you guys thought Russia didn't do anything, absolutely anything in the elections. The Seth Rich story and so on. :D
I think by now it should be obvious that the cardinal rule in US politics is, "It's only wrong if the other guys do it". Which ultimately means there's really nothing that's wrong, or right.

I believe they call that "Cultural Marxism". :whistle:
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Post by Ex-California » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:15 am

ssu wrote:Funny to look at the discussion here. I think it will hit the crescendo later.

In a nutshell:
The Trump White House has tried to use the connection between the dossier and Clinton to claim that this shows that rather than Trump colluding with Russia, Clinton colluded with Russia. (The theory appears to be that because Steele was getting information from Russian officials in part with funds provided by the Clinton campaign, the Russians were helping Clinton.)

But that ignores the fact that DNC emails — as well as the email account of the Clinton campaign chairman — were hacked and then published by WikiLeaks as part of the pro-Trump Russian operation identified by U.S. intelligence agencies. Indeed, the Wall Street Journal reported that a prominent Trump donor and the chief executive of a data-analytics firm working for Trump’s presidential campaign in August 2016 discussed how to better organize the Clinton-related emails being released by Wikileaks in order to leverage their impact.
I remember those times when you guys thought Russia didn't do anything, absolutely anything in the elections. The Seth Rich story and so on. :D
They didn't do anything in the election, vote totals weren't changed, so the onus is still on the voters

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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:06 am

California wrote:
ssu wrote:Funny to look at the discussion here. I think it will hit the crescendo later.

In a nutshell:
The Trump White House has tried to use the connection between the dossier and Clinton to claim that this shows that rather than Trump colluding with Russia, Clinton colluded with Russia. (The theory appears to be that because Steele was getting information from Russian officials in part with funds provided by the Clinton campaign, the Russians were helping Clinton.)

But that ignores the fact that DNC emails — as well as the email account of the Clinton campaign chairman — were hacked and then published by WikiLeaks as part of the pro-Trump Russian operation identified by U.S. intelligence agencies. Indeed, the Wall Street Journal reported that a prominent Trump donor and the chief executive of a data-analytics firm working for Trump’s presidential campaign in August 2016 discussed how to better organize the Clinton-related emails being released by Wikileaks in order to leverage their impact.
I remember those times when you guys thought Russia didn't do anything, absolutely anything in the elections. The Seth Rich story and so on. :D
They didn't do anything in the election, vote totals weren't changed, so the onus is still on the voters

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They never would have elected someone “under investigation” a week prior. No sane person would.
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