Age restrictions for Congress?

[StCapps]

Americans are not going to stop electing the John McCain's of the world, term limits will make no difference in that regard.

As I said before the first decade of John McCain wouldn't be so bad.

Nah the first decade was pretty bad too, you only think otherwise because he plays for your team. The man tried to kill MMA in it's infancy, and only approved of it after mobsters had bought up the UFC on the cheap. He's always been a shitty Senator, and he's certainly no Barry Goldwater, see what I mean about good senators being replaced by shitty ones under term limits, at least in the old system y'all got to hold onto the Barry Goldwater's of the world instead of throwing them out the door after their term limit and electing John McCain in their place.

Term limits have downsides, and the upsides don't seem worth it.

[Ex-California]

But the good senators are so rare its worth the risk

[StCapps]

But the good senators are so rare its worth the risk

Well Senators shouldn't be elected for one, y'all fucked that up a while back. Throwing out all of the good senators and replacing them with bad senators, and replacing bad senators with more of the same, just not seeing the upside outweighing the negatives on this one, it's change just for the sake of change, it is not well thought through.

Experience is not a dirty word, and just because many politicians who suck also happen to be experienced, that doesn't mean that you should institute rules that prevent legislators from gaining that experience, correlation does not equal causation, that isn't going to fix the problems that you think it will, you've misread the situation.

The problem is the electorate, not the politicians, the politicians are just responding to the will of the electorate, and will continue do so whether there are term limits in place or not. Term limits seeks to reduce the occurrence of a particular symptom that plagues your political system, but term limits also fail to tackle the actual disease causing that symptom, so this approach is doomed to not work out as envisioned by many posting in this thread.

I get it you guys want to help, you just don't know how, if you think term limits will be some big improvement.
/shrugs

[clubgop]

Americans are not going to stop electing the John McCain's of the world, term limits will make no difference in that regard.

As I said before the first decade of John McCain wouldn't be so bad.

Nah the first decade was pretty bad too, you only think otherwise because he plays for your team. The man tried to kill MMA in it's infancy, and only approved of it after mobsters had bought up the UFC on the cheap. He's always been a shitty Senator, and he's certainly no Barry Goldwater, see what I mean about good senators being replaced by shitty ones under term limits, at least in the old system y'all got to hold onto the Barry Goldwater's of the world instead of throwing them out the door after their term limit and electing John McCain in their place.

Term limits have downsides, and the upsides don't seem worth it.

I don't think that was his first decade. And MMA namely UFC was a ridiculous unsanctioned street fight. Now we have a formal set of rules, weight classes, and unlike even boxing no in ring deaths. It is so much better off for those improvements. If it took the mob to do that for the UFC then I say good on the mob and good on Sen. McCain.

[StCapps]

As I said before the first decade of John McCain wouldn't be so bad.

Nah the first decade was pretty bad too, you only think otherwise because he plays for your team. The man tried to kill MMA in it's infancy, and only approved of it after mobsters had bought up the UFC on the cheap. He's always been a shitty Senator, and he's certainly no Barry Goldwater, see what I mean about good senators being replaced by shitty ones under term limits, at least in the old system y'all got to hold onto the Barry Goldwater's of the world instead of throwing them out the door after their term limit and electing John McCain in their place.

Term limits have downsides, and the upsides don't seem worth it.

I don't think that was his first decade. And MMA namely UFC was a ridiculous unsanctioned street fight. Now we have a formal set of rules, weight classes, and unlike even boxing no in ring deaths. It is so much better off for those improvements. If it took the mob to do that for the UFC then I say good on the mob and good on Sen. McCain.

McCain's opposition began in 1996, so still first decade, his first year as a US Senator was 1987. MMA had reformed with the unified rules before the Fertita's bought the UFC on the cheap using mobster tactics. Talk about buy low, sell high, they turned $2 million into $4 billion, not fucking bad, the ultimate pump and dump scheme.

Anyway McCain didn't change his mind until after the mob tactics helped bust out SEG, and Zuffa had bought out the UFC on the cheap as a result. McCain didn't just change his mind when the sport reformed, and he is hardly responsible for the sport's reforms, you give him too much credit. There were no deaths in the UFC octagon before and after the rule changes, fyi.

Moral of the story, neither the Fertita brothers or John McCain deserve credit for those rule changes you enjoy so much, the guys you are looking for are Jeff Blatnick, Big John McCarthy, Joe Silva and the NJSAC, those are the parties you should be giving dap to, not McCain and his "human cockfighting" schtick.

[clubgop]

Nah the first decade was pretty bad too, you only think otherwise because he plays for your team. The man tried to kill MMA in it's infancy, and only approved of it after mobsters had bought up the UFC on the cheap. He's always been a shitty Senator, and he's certainly no Barry Goldwater, see what I mean about good senators being replaced by shitty ones under term limits, at least in the old system y'all got to hold onto the Barry Goldwater's of the world instead of throwing them out the door after their term limit and electing John McCain in their place.

Term limits have downsides, and the upsides don't seem worth it.

I don't think that was his first decade. And MMA namely UFC was a ridiculous unsanctioned street fight. Now we have a formal set of rules, weight classes, and unlike even boxing no in ring deaths. It is so much better off for those improvements. If it took the mob to do that for the UFC then I say good on the mob and good on Sen. McCain.

McCain's opposition began in 1996, so still first decade, his first year as a US Senator was 1987. MMA had reformed with the unified rules before the Fertita's bought the UFC on the cheap using mobster tactics. Talk about buy low, sell high, they turned $2 million into $4 billion, not fucking bad, the ultimate pump and dump scheme.

Anyway McCain didn't change his mind until after the mob tactics helped bust out SEG, and Zuffa had bought out the UFC on the cheap as a result. McCain didn't just change his mind when the sport reformed, and he is hardly responsible for the sport's reforms, you give him too much credit. There were no deaths in the UFC octagon before and after the rule changes, fyi.

Moral of the story, neither the Fertita brothers or John McCain deserve credit for those rule changes you enjoy so much, the guys you are looking for are Jeff Blatnick, Big John McCarthy, Joe Silva and the NJSAC, those are the parties you should be giving dap to, not McCain and his "human cockfighting" schtick.

No, doubt you are right about that but the shtick is good political shorthand. But not his first decade he was a member of the House since '81. Term Limits baby.

[StCapps]

No, doubt you are right about that but the shtick is good political shorthand. But not his first decade he was a member of the House since '81. Term Limits baby.

If you are going to do term limits the House and Senate should have different limits, unrelated to each other, if you want ban all national political experience beyond one decade, that is an even dumber idea.

[Ex-California]

No, doubt you are right about that but the shtick is good political shorthand. But not his first decade he was a member of the House since '81. Term Limits baby.

If you are going to do term limits the House and Senate should have different limits, unrelated to each other, if you want ban all national political experience beyond one decade, that is an even dumber idea.

We don't want career politicians, we want people who volunteer to do service for their country for a short time

[The Conservative]

No, doubt you are right about that but the shtick is good political shorthand. But not his first decade he was a member of the House since '81. Term Limits baby.

If you are going to do term limits the House and Senate should have different limits, unrelated to each other, if you want ban all national political experience beyond one decade, that is an even dumber idea.

We don't want career politicians, we want people who volunteer to do service for their country for a short time

Remove the ability to have special interest groups (K Street) to be removed from interacting from Congress if you are going to do it too.

[Ex-California]

That's a given.

Without K St. I could be convinced to soften my position on the term limits as well

Unfortunately, they go hand in hand